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作者: yoyo700 时间: 2003-8-27 08:37
标题: Number 1 - YOUR GMAT SCORE
As per Zeros request, i post those stuff here one more time...
It's sad, but it's true: your GMAT score is probably the most important factor in determining whether you will be admitted to a top business school. I want to clarify that statement, though, so you won't misunderstand me.
Most applicants believe there is a significant difference between a 680 and a 720 on the GMAT. There isn't. The extra 40 points won't help your chances of being admitted. That's why I'm frustrated when I hear from people who score 680 and insist on retaking the exam. They would be better served by burning their GMAT-prep books and turning their attention to the application essays (the next step in the process).
If you hope to have a reasonable chance of being admitted to a top program, though, your GMAT score will need to be "in the ballpark." If it isn't you'll have a hard time winning a spot at A-list schools no matter how good your work experience and undergraduate GPA might be. That's why I believe GMAT score is the most important factor in being admitted to a top program. If your score isn't in the ballpark, you won't be in the game.
So What's Considered "In the Ballpark?"
At virtually all of the top programs, the ballpark starts in the mid 600s. That doesn't mean there is a strict cut-off -- there isn't. But if you look closely at a school's numbers you'll see that below about 620, your chances of being admitted fall pretty dramatically.
Take a look at the graph below. It shows the "middle 80 percent range" of GMAT scores for students admitted to a typical top MBA program.
You can see that the median score is about 680; but the median can be deceiving. You don't need to beat it to be accepted. It should be obvious that half of all accepted applicants score below the median, but for some reason many of my GMAT students feel they need to beat a school's median to have a reasonable shot at getting in. I've had to talk quite a few of them into applying to MBA programs they are now attending (or have already finished) because they were initially discouraged when their GMAT scores fell slightly below their target schools' medians.
What Score Will I Need If I Hope to Attend a Top Program?
If your GMAT score is within a school's median 80 percent range, even if it's 60 points below the school's median, you have a reasonable chance of being admitted. If it's below that 80 percent range you still have a shot, but it's a long shot. (I'll discuss how applicants with GMAT scores below the median 80 percent range get admitted to top programs in the next section on application essays.)
Most MBA programs now print their median 80 percent ranges in their brochures. For those that don't, you can make a rough estimate by assuming the range starts about 60 points below the median and ends about 60 points above it. As long as you are within that range, you have a reasonable chance of being admitted.
Are the Separate Scores for Math and Verbal Important?
Yes, especially the math score. The admissions people put a lot of emphasis on math skills when making their decisions. (See the discussion on GPA for more on this.) So it's important that you do well on the math portion of the GMAT.
The math and verbal scores range from 0 to about 52. (I know that ETS claims the scale can go as high as 60, but it has never actually gone over 52). My strongest students are those in the "40-40 Club." That means they score in the 40's in both math and verbal.
It's great to have that kind of balance, but if you are going to be stronger on one portion of the test than on the other, it's clearly better to be stronger in math.
What if I Hope to Apply to Top Schools But My GMAT Score is Below 600?
You need to take the test again. I'm not saying that you can't get into a top program -- you can. But your chances are slim. So if you have time to take the test again, you'd be foolish not to.
And that brings up a good point about multiple test scores. I'm not aware of a single top school (or even an average school for that matter) that still averages GMAT scores. I'm sure that someone out there will find a program that does so, but until I hear from that person, let's stick to the general rule: Schools consider only your highest GMAT score.
Can I Take the Test 15 Times and Just Report My Highest Score?
Sort of. Before the GMAT exam begins, the computer will ask you which schools you would like your scores forwarded to. You get five schools included in the cost of the test, and any others will cost you $25 each.
You can elect not to have your scores forwarded to any schools. After you have seen your scores (you get them immediately after finishing the test), you can then pay $25 each to have them sent to the schools you choose.
Your "GMAT transcript" will report only your three most recent scores. So if you took the test four times and scored 450 each time, but didn't have your scores forwarded, you could still pull off that miraculous 700 the fifth time and then send your scores. The admissions office would see only two 450's and a 700.
It doesn't really matter, though, whether you send your transcript after each test or wait until you score the number you want. In the end, the school's application will ask you to specify the score you want the admissions committee to consider. (And, no, you can't mix and match your best verbal score and your best math score from different tests.)
What About the Essay Score on the GMAT?
You will have to write two essays on the GMAT (the "Analytical Writing Section"). They will be scored on a scale of 1 to 6, and those points will not be added to your other GMAT score.
The essays are extremely simple. I teach my students a basic template to follow and they seem to do very well with it. They regularly score perfect 6's (the 99th percentile) just by following the template.
It's been my experience, though, that your essay score is pretty much worthless, so I spend very little time on it in class. A few years ago I asked the admissions director of a Top-5 school what she was doing with the essay scores. She laughed at me and said she wasn't really using them (though that isn't what her brochures say).
I have to agree with her. The GMAT essays are ridiculous. Given how well some students have done by just following a formula, the scores seem pretty meaningless. And now the essays are being graded by computer, making them even more worthless. So don't spend a lot of time studying for the AWA essays, and don't put too much emphasis on your essay score. I can assure you the admissions committee won't.
作者: 丑得老婆哭 时间: 2005-10-3 19:20
谢谢
作者: Youknowme 时间: 2005-10-3 19:38
Really thanks for your sharing about the GMAT SCORE, it's very useful for me!
作者: dream1111 时间: 2005-10-3 21:37
For chinese students, is the part of the statement on math part of Gmat meaningful?
作者: 未来 时间: 2005-10-3 22:55
awa这么不重要啊,呼呼呼,松了一口气
作者: 13131 时间: 2005-10-4 01:25
以下是引用yoyo700在2003-8-27 8:37:00的发言:
As per Zeros request, i post those stuff here one more time...
It's sad, but it's true: your GMAT score is probably the most important factor in determining whether you will be admitted to a top business school. I want to clarify that statement, though, so you won't misunderstand me.
Most applicants believe there is a significant difference between a 680 and a 720 on the GMAT. There isn't. The extra 40 points won't help your chances of being admitted. That's why I'm frustrated when I hear from people who score 680 and insist on retaking the exam. They would be better served by burning their GMAT-prep books and turning their attention to the application essays (the next step in the process).
If you hope to have a reasonable chance of being admitted to a top program, though, your GMAT score will need to be "in the ballpark." If it isn't you'll have a hard time winning a spot at A-list schools no matter how good your work experience and undergraduate GPA might be. That's why I believe GMAT score is the most important factor in being admitted to a top program. If your score isn't in the ballpark, you won't be in the game.
So What's Considered "In the Ballpark?"
At virtually all of the top programs, the ballpark starts in the mid 600s. That doesn't mean there is a strict cut-off -- there isn't. But if you look closely at a school's numbers you'll see that below about 620, your chances of being admitted fall pretty dramatically.
Take a look at the graph below. It shows the "middle 80 percent range" of GMAT scores for students admitted to a typical top MBA program.
You can see that the median score is about 680; but the median can be deceiving. You don't need to beat it to be accepted. It should be obvious that half of all accepted applicants score below the median, but for some reason many of my GMAT students feel they need to beat a school's median to have a reasonable shot at getting in. I've had to talk quite a few of them into applying to MBA programs they are now attending (or have already finished) because they were initially discouraged when their GMAT scores fell slightly below their target schools' medians.
What Score Will I Need If I Hope to Attend a Top Program?
If your GMAT score is within a school's median 80 percent range, even if it's 60 points below the school's median, you have a reasonable chance of being admitted. If it's below that 80 percent range you still have a shot, but it's a long shot. (I'll discuss how applicants with GMAT scores below the median 80 percent range get admitted to top programs in the next section on application essays.)
Most MBA programs now print their median 80 percent ranges in their brochures. For those that don't, you can make a rough estimate by assuming the range starts about 60 points below the median and ends about 60 points above it. As long as you are within that range, you have a reasonable chance of being admitted.
Are the Separate Scores for Math and Verbal Important?
Yes, especially the math score. The admissions people put a lot of emphasis on math skills when making their decisions. (See the discussion on GPA for more on this.) So it's important that you do well on the math portion of the GMAT.
The math and verbal scores range from 0 to about 52. (I know that ETS claims the scale can go as high as 60, but it has never actually gone over 52). My strongest students are those in the "40-40 Club." That means they score in the 40's in both math and verbal.
It's great to have that kind of balance, but if you are going to be stronger on one portion of the test than on the other, it's clearly better to be stronger in math.
What if I Hope to Apply to Top Schools But My GMAT Score is Below 600?
You need to take the test again. I'm not saying that you can't get into a top program -- you can. But your chances are slim. So if you have time to take the test again, you'd be foolish not to.
And that brings up a good point about multiple test scores. I'm not aware of a single top school (or even an average school for that matter) that still averages GMAT scores. I'm sure that someone out there will find a program that does so, but until I hear from that person, let's stick to the general rule: Schools consider only your highest GMAT score.
Can I Take the Test 15 Times and Just Report My Highest Score?
Sort of. Before the GMAT exam begins, the computer will ask you which schools you would like your scores forwarded to. You get five schools included in the cost of the test, and any others will cost you $25 each.
You can elect not to have your scores forwarded to any schools. After you have seen your scores (you get them immediately after finishing the test), you can then pay $25 each to have them sent to the schools you choose.
Your "GMAT transcript" will report only your three most recent scores. So if you took the test four times and scored 450 each time, but didn't have your scores forwarded, you could still pull off that miraculous 700 the fifth time and then send your scores. The admissions office would see only two 450's and a 700.
It doesn't really matter, though, whether you send your transcript after each test or wait until you score the number you want. In the end, the school's application will ask you to specify the score you want the admissions committee to consider. (And, no, you can't mix and match your best verbal score and your best math score from different tests.)
What About the Essay Score on the GMAT?
You will have to write two essays on the GMAT (the "Analytical Writing Section"). They will be scored on a scale of 1 to 6, and those points will not be added to your other GMAT score.
The essays are extremely simple. I teach my students a basic template to follow and they seem to do very well with it. They regularly score perfect 6's (the 99th percentile) just by following the template.
It's been my experience, though, that your essay score is pretty much worthless, so I spend very little time on it in class. A few years ago I asked the admissions director of a Top-5 school what she was doing with the essay scores. She laughed at me and said she wasn't really using them (though that isn't what her brochures say).
I have to agree with her. The GMAT essays are ridiculous. Given how well some students have done by just following a formula, the scores seem pretty meaningless. And now the essays are being graded by computer, making them even more worthless. So don't spend a lot of time studying for the AWA essays, and don't put too much emphasis on your essay score. I can assure you the admissions committee won't.
以下是引用丑得老婆哭在2005-10-3 19:20:00的发言:
谢谢
晕倒...1楼怎么和2楼差这么长时间!!
多谢lz...真的好文!!
作者: jkmbe 时间: 2005-10-4 01:42
楼上的可真仔细,这篇文章写得很中肯,但个人认为,GMAT能考高些当然最好就高些,毕竟中国学生在INTERNATIONAL APPLICANT这个只能占到30%的POOL里面,还要跟那些印度牛人竞争(世界上GMAT录取AVERAGE最高的商学院就在印度:Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad,AVERAGE GMAT:750). 还有GMAT的作文我有一点补充,学校会拿它来与你后面的申请文章来做比较,从而判断ESSAY是否出于你自己的手笔,大家既然都清楚ESSAY多少会让周围朋友,老师来提些意见,做些修改,那么花些时间来准备GMAT的作文,帮助学校免去一些不必要的遐想,我认为也没有什么坏处.
作者: steven03 时间: 2006-6-16 02:28
06年看到这个贴,觉得情况变了。
作者: cicilla 时间: 2006-6-16 09:24
以下是引用jkmbe在2005-10-4 1:42:00的发言:楼上的可真仔细,这篇文章写得很中肯,但个人认为,GMAT能考高些当然最好就高些,毕竟中国学生在INTERNATIONAL APPLICANT这个只能占到30%的POOL里面,还要跟那些印度牛人竞争(世界上GMAT录取AVERAGE最高的商学院就在印度:
Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad,AVERAGE GMAT:750). 还有GMAT的作文我有一点补充,学校会拿它来与你后面的申请文章来做比较,从而判断ESSAY是否出于你自己的手笔,大家既然都清楚ESSAY多少会让周围朋友,老师来提些意见,做些修改,那么花些时间来准备GMAT的作文,帮助学校免去一些不必要的遐想,我认为也没有什么坏处.
agree!
作者: rememberyd 时间: 2006-6-16 10:22
我只有660 M50 V31.是常规标准是很低的了.我还是会去试试的,这样说来.我对自已还是非常有信心除了这个分数以外的其它方面.看了上面的话,觉得至少不是一看到分数就被扔到一边的了.谢谢.
作者: cicilla 时间: 2006-6-16 19:53
以下是引用rememberyd在2006-6-16 10:22:00的发言:
我只有660 M50 V31.是常规标准是很低的了.我还是会去试试的,这样说来.我对自已还是非常有信心除了这个分数以外的其它方面.看了上面的话,觉得至少不是一看到分数就被扔到一边的了.谢谢.
660要看你尝试什么学校啦。top10的确很难。你可以看以前的录取人的数据。除非你真得super super excellent。不过既然你super excellent,为什么就不能考一个更高的呢?应该不难。否则因为GMAT被挡在心仪的学校门口,不是很遗憾吗?
作者: RYU 时间: 2006-6-17 18:32
LZ对BS申请有独到的见解。
赞!
作者: hummel 时间: 2006-6-18 18:46
谢谢楼主,加油加油
作者: sy029 时间: 2006-6-18 19:15
以下是引用rememberyd在2006-6-16 10:22:00的发言:
我只有660 M50 V31.是常规标准是很低的了.我还是会去试试的,这样说来.我对自已还是非常有信心除了这个分数以外的其它方面.看了上面的话,觉得至少不是一看到分数就被扔到一边的了.谢谢.
我也是660,M52 V27。 用这个分数申请的话太冤了,不如再考一次,至少不能因为GMAT分数而被拒。
作者: 谢沁薇 时间: 2006-6-18 19:58
那我完了。。。。如果是M48, V34的话会不会看起来平均点,申请时他们就会对我这笨蛋的670客气一点呢?
作者: wxxwnx 时间: 2008-5-10 10:12
以下是引用steven03在2006-6-16 2:28:00的发言:
06年看到这个贴,觉得情况变了。
请问08年呢?
是什么情况变了?
GMAT不那么重要了?
还是作文变重要了?
作者: ChrisX 时间: 2008-5-10 11:52
我感觉作文成绩对加拿大大学来说不是很重要,至少没有像学校网站说得那样需要well balanced on four measures。美国的学校不是很清楚,今年就会知道了。
作者: pierre623 时间: 2008-5-10 12:08
感觉08年去TOP20的GMAT没有低于700的
至少在CD上报OFFER的人是这样的
作者: head1979 时间: 2008-5-12 18:40
都是中国学生在拉GMAT的分。认识好多老美G都是600左右,一样去top30
作者: matt_yuan 时间: 2008-5-28 12:41
这个分数的问题很敏感,需要认真讨论,好像老美的分数确实很低的。对国际学生是不是双重标准呢,也不知道考多少分才够
作者: 荧光鱼 时间: 2009-8-27 22:16
我很高兴地看到了写作不重要。。。。
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