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标题: 关于比较对象的两道题求解答觉得矛盾 [打印本页]

作者: 玛德滞涨 时间: 2016-3-18 10:10
标题: 关于比较对象的两道题求解答觉得矛盾
GWD
Prices at the producer level are only 1.3 percent higher now than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the South are hurting crops and therefore raised corn and soybean prices.
A than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the South are hurting crops and therefore raised  分析A选项
B than those of a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the South are hurting crops and therefore raising  分析B选项
C than a year ago and are going down, despite floods in the Midwest and drought in the South. and are hurting crops and therefore raising  分析C选项
D as those of a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the South hurt crops and therefore raise  分析D选项
E as they were a year ago and are going down, despite floods in the Midwest and drought in the South, and are hurting crops and therefore raising  分析E选项
这里的those of 为什么不能省略呢
看成两个是状语的比较
选B

而OG这一题为什么又可以省略呢
93、Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.
(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year’s because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year’s because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
这里选A

作者: 西域小狼 时间: 2016-3-18 13:24
之前回答过这个问题　但是不知道是否正确　
第一个例子now 是副词　与一般的时间状语有区别　如果改成　Prices at the producer level are only 1.3 percent higher this year than a year ago. 就应该是正确的

第二句话第一是省略了year 因为不引起歧义　第二比较对象都有相应的状语结构　所以正确

作者: 玛德滞涨 时间: 2016-3-18 16:52
再顶一下谢谢楼上答复还有其他吗

作者: elusive 时间: 2016-3-19 11:47
第一题思考：

A：raised应该是raising, 删除
B：好像对了，留着
C：despite后面不应该是个句子，（你可能写的不对，那个地方不应该是句号，请纠正）
DE：as应该是than

其实这里AB比较都对，A是now vs a year ago; B是prices vs those

第二题：
A：看起来没问题留着
B：rise higher有问题，但是不是很严重，留着
C：expect用了名词，复杂，不好，放心删除
D：it is the ...that绝对复杂，放心删除
E：同D

A vs B，to be higher >to rise higher.B不好，删除。

A里面比较：this year vs last (year) 和refunere are vs they were.
B：refiner pay vs they did, 比较都对了。

解决你的问题：在比较中，时间可以比较时间，动词可以比较动词，系动词可以比较系动词，
然后，主谓可以比较主谓（这时候通常用that of 或者those of),
those of的使用取决于比较对象而不是省略问题。

作者: elusive 时间: 2016-3-19 11:47
第一题思考：

A：raised应该是raising, 删除
B：好像对了，留着
C：despite后面不应该是个句子，（你可能写的不对，那个地方不应该是句号，请纠正）
DE：as应该是than

其实这里AB比较都对，A是now vs a year ago; B是prices vs those

第二题：
A：看起来没问题留着
B：rise higher有问题，但是不是很严重，留着
C：expect用了名词，复杂，不好，放心删除
D：it is the ...that绝对复杂，放心删除
E：同D

A vs B，to be higher >to rise higher.B不好，删除。

A里面比较：this year vs last (year) 和refunere are vs they were.
B：refiner pay vs they did, 比较都对了。

解决你的问题：在比较中，时间状语可以比较时间状语，主谓比主谓，主系比较主系。后面的主语通常是those of/that of,如果不是人。是人的话，they，he, she...
those of的使用取决于比较对象而不是省略问题。

作者: 医生吃鱼 时间: 2016-3-19 17:59
楼主提了个好问题！为了不误人子弟，我是引用曼哈顿论坛的讨论。

RON认为第一题的A选项中的比较结构是正确的，即比较时间状语“now”和a year ago“。
该选项的错误在与后半句的”raised“。
原帖链接：http://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/post117480.html#p117480

作者: 玛德滞涨 时间: 2016-3-19 19:43

医生吃鱼发表于 2016-3-19 17:59
楼主提了个好问题！为了不误人子弟，我是引用曼哈顿论坛的讨论。

RON认为第一题的A选项中的比较结构是正确 ...

谢谢！同意！

作者: echizenlover 时间: 2016-6-28 07:57

医生吃鱼发表于 2016-3-19 17:59
楼主提了个好问题！为了不误人子弟，我是引用曼哈顿论坛的讨论。

RON认为第一题的A选项中的比较结构是正确 ...

感谢！刚好在困惑这两道题！

作者: rustraff 时间: 2016-7-12 16:33
据说编OG和编答案的不是一伙人!

作者: MAYG12345 时间: 2016-7-19 16:52
RON原话：

don't forget—the OG answer keys are usually incomplete, and often incorrect.
the official PROBLEMS are essentially flawless, but the official answer keys are not. (GMAC's all-stars, the people who write the problems, do not write the answer keys; GMAC 'outsources' that work to people of lesser talent, presumably to cut costs.)

笑哭

作者: Frank_Wong 时间: 2016-8-18 16:52

医生吃鱼发表于 2016-3-19 17:59
楼主提了个好问题！为了不误人子弟，我是引用曼哈顿论坛的讨论。

RON认为第一题的A选项中的比较结构是正确 ...

Tks for ur reply.

作者: husthwd 时间: 2016-11-4 16:50
我觉得还是遵循parallelism，now 换成 this year，则A的省略没有任何问题；raised其实也能讲同，但还是尽可能parallel

作者: Bradz 时间: 2016-11-4 21:54
raised怎么会通？时态造成逻辑不通啊，现在造成损害，怎么会在过去提升价格？

作者: mogiinntu 时间: 2017-4-12 17:14
然而不是prices在比较吗？为什么变成比较时间状语了？不应该是those of last year吗？困惑不已!求NN解答！！！！

作者: 好爱吃土豆 时间: 2017-7-14 18:33

husthwd 发表于 2016-11-4 16:50
我觉得还是遵循parallelism，now 换成 this year，则A的省略没有任何问题；raised其实也能讲同，但还是尽可 ...

我想问一下前后be动词的时态不一样可以省略吗？
前面是prices are...后面是they were... 后面这个were可以省略吗？

作者: 黄大胆 时间: 2017-8-19 18:39
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作者: SRYMS 时间: 2017-9-9 12:01
肯定是可以省略的，因为than前后紧接相比较的时间状语，而且省略更简洁。但A后面有硬伤，所以我们只能选一个相对最好的而不是最完美的

作者: ivyyy10 时间: 2017-9-20 17:22

elusive 发表于 2016-3-19 11:47
第一题思考：

A：raised应该是raising, 删除

Mark一下！

作者: 唐僧的格子裳 时间: 2017-10-26 20:53
各位大佬，those of的of所有格结构是怎么来的啊

作者: yayuxu 时间: 2017-11-6 20:37
顶楼主！

作者: yayuxu 时间: 2017-11-6 20:39
同样疑惑……

作者: eurphe 时间: 2017-11-18 20:12
同样疑惑，谢谢楼主！！搞懂了感谢！！！！！！！！！！

[lol][lol][lol][lol]

作者: 神粥八宝 时间: 2017-11-28 16:13

MAYG12345 发表于 2016-7-19 16:52
RON原话：

don't forget—the OG answer keys are usually incomplete, and often incorrect.

哈哈哈笑哭我了

作者: 神粥八宝 时间: 2017-12-2 20:39

我也有同样的疑惑！！！

作者: 神粥八宝 时间: 2017-12-2 20:42

医生吃鱼发表于 2016-3-19 17:59
楼主提了个好问题！为了不误人子弟，我是引用曼哈顿论坛的讨论。

RON认为第一题的A选项中的比较结构是正确 ...

可是og中对于A选项的解释说这句话不对，因为compares prices to a time

作者: 神粥八宝 时间: 2017-12-2 20:43

神粥八宝发表于 2017-12-2 20:42
可是og中对于A选项的解释说这句话不对，因为compares prices to a time

我来自己回答一下。。可能是因为og答案不对吧
也是崩溃

作者: slbpwc 时间: 2017-12-9 17:10

神粥八宝发表于 2017-12-2 20:43
我来自己回答一下。。可能是因为og答案不对吧
也是崩溃

关于时态不一致，后面要补足主谓的rule：
OG里的这题遵守了：https://forum.chasedream.com/thread-1274862-1-1.html

但楼主帖子里的OG题却没有遵守（this year 和 last year），前后矛盾。所以我觉得大概是OG答案不对吧。。

BTW： RON说比较的两个time，但OG解释里说的清清楚楚是比较的price啊。。

作者: 神粥八宝 时间: 2017-12-9 17:41

slbpwc 发表于 2017-12-9 17:10
关于时态不一致，后面要补足主谓的rule：
OG里的这题遵守了：https://forum.chasedream.com/thread-12748 ...

嗯嗯！同意！

作者: 小崔同学 时间: 2018-2-6 22:46
天啊，和我想对比的问题一模一样，我也是对比发现这个很奇怪！！！楼主666666

作者: 医生吃鱼 时间: 2018-7-20 16:27

神粥八宝发表于 2017-12-2 20:42
可是og中对于A选项的解释说这句话不对，因为compares prices to a time

OG解释的作者是外包团队，质量很差

作者: An_qi 时间: 2019-11-1 16:22

Bradz 发表于 2016-11-4 21:54
raised怎么会通？时态造成逻辑不通啊，现在造成损害，怎么会在过去提升价格？ ...

同意！

作者: 柯柯 时间: 2020-4-16 22:04
我又迷惑了，先附一段ron讲的
For sentences that don't have such a simple structure, the goal is to avoid introducing unnecessary complexity.Here's what you should do with such sentences:
1.identify the right-hand element (= the one that follows the comparison signal)
2. Ask yourself whether this element SHOULD be part of the comparison, according to context/common sense. (There are no "omissions" here. if the stuff following the signal isn't actually compared to something else, the sentence is wrong.）
3.If so, try to find something that matches it on the other side. If you find such a thing, it’s correct .
Example . People are taller in China than Spain.
1/the right-hand element is "Spain".
2/the sentence is not intended to compare Spain itself with anything. So, this version is wrong. Quit.
People are taller in China than in Spain.
1/the right-hand element is "in Spain".
2/the sentence compares heights of people, sure. However, it's also true that the sentence directly compares the situation in china with the situation in Spain. (It does not, on the other hand, compare the actual countries of China and Spain; hence why the foregoing example is wrong.)So, this works.
3/"in china" is there.This one works.

Gas prices were higher in 2007 than in 1997.
1/right-hand element = "in 1997"
2/this is legitimate (see write-up of previous example, which works in exactly the same way)
3/"in 2007" is there; we're good.
Gas prices were higher in 2007 than those in 1997.
1/right-hand element = "[gas prices] in 1997"(meaning of the pronoun is obvious, I hope) 2/we want to compare prices, so the set-up is ok
3/nothing works on the other side. We need "gas prices in 2007" (in one piece), but only "gas prices" is there.Nope.
Gas prices in 2007 were higher than those in 1997.
This is one of the easy ones: "X were higher than Y".X = gas prices in 2007Y = [gas prices] in 1997 workable

那么根据ron之前这里讲的话，就应该是A里的比较呀，B中的比较应该是错误的呀？

作者: mstudyingsc 时间: 2022-9-13 19:29
顶楼主！

作者: melody129 时间: 2022-9-20 16:21

医生吃鱼发表于 2016-3-19 17:59
楼主提了个好问题！为了不误人子弟，我是引用曼哈顿论坛的讨论。

RON认为第一题的A选项中的比较结构是正确 ...

同意！

作者: lleahh 时间: 2022-10-8 14:54
gwb的那一题A选项有的平行错误不在a year ago，关键在于后面are hurting and raised 这里句子结构存在逻辑错误，huring是正在发生，raised已经发生了，用and连接在一起存在逻辑错误，这种句子结构的整体的逻辑错误才是这个选项的致命伤，语法要先看整体再抠细节，整体上有硬伤直接排除就完了

作者: starry0328 时间: 2023-7-28 10:17
谢谢楼主发帖和大佬们解答，有同样疑惑，看到这里明白了，谢谢

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