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作者: dingrhan    时间: 2005-6-13 00:00
标题: 真题 - 如果是你,选C还是D?

如果是你,选C还是D? 答案有争议!



23. Trans World Entertainment Corporation, which owns the laceName w:st="on">RecordlaceName> laceType w:st="on">TownlaceType> and Saturday Matinee retail chains, announced that since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed.



A)       that since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed


B)       it is closing up to one-fourth of its stores, which accounted for its poor sales


C)       it was closing up to one fourth of its stores because of poor sales.


D)       to be closing, on account of poor sales, up to one-fourth of its stores.


E)     having poor sales, such that up to one-fourth of its stores will be closed.


作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-6-13 00:19

查了Longman, 似乎announce后面可以省略that引导宾语从句, 但是例句保留了, 而且GMAT中宾语从句的保留that是一种正规表达方式, D的announce to do的用法不idiomatic, C我觉得算是Run-on.


我选A, A中后面的they指代stores.


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作者: jnlvo    时间: 2005-6-13 01:39

同意Avantasia


作者: dingrhan    时间: 2005-6-13 08:40

从GWD那边给过来的答案是C, 另有其他source给出D的答案。我本人倾向于选C。A有明显硬伤呀, “They”指代不明确呀?前面两个主语... 但C,D之间,我是凭语感选C。不确定D的语法点错在哪里。是anounce to do 不行,只能说“anounce that" 嘛?


还有,很不好意思地问,什么叫“run-on"?


作者: actu    时间: 2005-6-13 09:01
以下是引用Avantasia在2005-6-13 0:19:00的发言:

查了Longman, 似乎announce后面可以省略that引导宾语从句, 但是例句保留了, 而且GMAT中宾语从句的保留that是一种正规表达方式, D的announce to do的用法不idiomatic, C我觉得算是Run-on.


我选A, A中后面的they指代stores.



支持


作者: jnlvo    时间: 2005-6-13 09:26

可能应该是C.我一开始没看清。A的they确实指代不清,A指its stores但这样意思就不对了。


D的anounce to do可能不好:Longman有这样的句子:They announced plans to close 11 factories.


on account of 不好,一般because从句优于because of优于on account of ,而且在做过的题目中我还没有印象on account of做正确选项的。OG好像也提到过它们之间差别,但我一下找不到。另外on account of这里做插入语意思表达也不好,好像是说 这个Corporation poor sales,而更准确地说是one-fourth of its stores poor sales。


这样比较,C要好些。尽管宾语从句省that不好,但也可接受。


BTW,run-on好像指两个句子没连词。


作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-6-13 10:55

Run-on是我用词不当, 主要我觉得省略了that会产生一个句子两个动词, 虽然这个似乎可以省略。


我觉得还是A,they的指代stores挺清晰的,符合逻辑,而且A先因后果的表达方式也挺合适的。


作者: dingrhan    时间: 2005-6-13 12:18

Drives me crazy... 神呀,降旨吧,到底选啥呀?! 要是考试时真遇上了,怎么办? 各路豪侠众说纷纭,群雄逐鹿,鏖战中原,谁来平定沃土?!


不然,拈花瓣吧,是这个,不是这个,使这个,不是这个....


作者: 蓝夕叶子    时间: 2005-6-13 12:43

我觉得选C。


A中since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed是一般将来时,而announced是过去时。


作者: jnlvo    时间: 2005-6-13 12:52
时态确实也是个问题。至于they如果指代one-fourth of its stores,逻辑意思基本是对的,然而这里更可能指向its stores(有全部的意思),这样表达似乎就有问题。
作者: 蓝夕叶子    时间: 2005-6-13 13:05

请教jnlvo,为什么这样的表达有问题呢?


its stores 不是一个复数的表达吗?


A中的指代我觉得米有问题啊。


A中最大的错误如我9楼所说。这个好像是T的语法错误?


谢jnlvo


作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-6-13 13:17

我觉得时态不算什么大问题,难得找到一个帖子和Jnlvo前辈讨论一下 :)


两个例子:


OG147. At a recent session, the French government decided that (Paris needs a second, larger opera house to complement the famous Paris Opera).


大全99. Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that (it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone) is assigned to do.



作者: jnlvo    时间: 2005-6-13 13:41

我不敢说announced that后一定不能用一般现在时,但这里似乎并不好。


大全147,这里用一般现在时,是因为(引用前人的总结)


常考的一般现在时的三种用法:


1. 表示客观事实:Aristotle said that the Earth rotates the Sun.
2.
政府的决策行为:French government decided that Paris needs....
3.
科研成果,统计资料。


大全99


said that后一般可以跟过去式或现在式。我搜过google,发现这两者用法的比例差不多,但我没有看到过什么语法书关于此处更详尽的说明。


announced that我刚刚查了一下Longman,没看到announced that用一般式的。


这里sales poor正常表达应该在announced之前或是同时,用一般式显然没有过去式好。



作者: jnlvo    时间: 2005-6-13 13:45
以下是引用蓝夕叶子在2005-6-13 13:05:00的发言:

请教jnlvo,为什么这样的表达有问题呢?


its stores 不是一个复数的表达吗?


A中的指代我觉得米有问题啊。


A中最大的错误如我9楼所说。这个好像是T的语法错误?


谢jnlvo


我前面提到they会被认为是指its stores, 这样they will be closed,就会被认为这家公司(all)stores will be closed,但实际是one-fourth of its stores的sales poor,所以这one-fourth of its stores要关掉,而不是its stores(会被理解为全部的店)


作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-6-13 13:51

。。。倒戈了


C虽然省略了that,确实没见过,不过一回生,二回熟。A的时态确实不完美,而且A后面的被动没有明确发出者,也不如C的主动语态来的清晰。



作者: jnlvo    时间: 2005-6-13 14:07

其实,现在想想,记起来有一道题当时大家讨论的一阵子,最后选了一个不带that的选项,也许就是这题。我觉得ETS可能也没有太多的招或者准备撒手不管了,现在变得喜欢耍些小花招,引人上当。这道题多数人会因为C没有that而很快把它排除。尽管我没中它这招,但开始还是选错了。不能太小瞧了ETS。


作者: happyfish0517    时间: 2005-6-13 14:30
一开始确实看A最顺眼,因为C没有that,第一眼看就被排除了,D又明显redundancy...嘿嘿,可是A的时态确实有点问题...最后还是支持C吧
作者: 梦精灵_Fly    时间: 2005-6-13 15:04

Trans World Entertainment Corporation, which owns the LACE w:st="on">LACENAME w:st="on">RecordLACENAME> LACETYPE w:st="on">TownLACETYPE>LACE> and Saturday Matinee retail chains, announced that since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed.


我前面提到they会被认为是指its stores, 这样they will be closed,就会被认为这家公司(all)stores will be closed,但实际是one-fourth of its stores的sales poor,所以这one-fourth of its stores要关掉,而不是its stores(会被理解为全部的店)


我也同意这里是有点歧义。但是they是不是指代的就是“one-fourth of its stores"呢?否则岂不是所有的名词复数的部分(百分之多少,几分之几等)都没有办法指代清楚了?


这里sales poor正常表达应该在announced之前或是同时,用一般式显然没有过去式好。


说到时态,我觉得A的时态更好阿。宣布的时候并没有关,而只是打算关,现宣布一下。sales are poor是一个客观事实的阐述,用一般现在时态没有问题啊。C的时态was closing我觉得是不行的。最关键的是没有that,这是严重的错误啊。


我支持A。欢迎指正!



作者: 小女公子    时间: 2005-6-13 17:33

A will-->would


B is-->was


C i vote for it


D awkward "announced to close" sounds better


E having is always wrong, i belive....


作者: oookk    时间: 2005-6-13 17:38
c
作者: dingrhan    时间: 2005-6-13 19:18

从头到尾都选C! 嘿嘿...


作者: 梦精灵_Fly    时间: 2005-6-13 21:54

ok,如果遇到我也选C了。没有that就没有that吧。


作者: 薰衣紫草    时间: 2005-6-14 00:52

D


A的时态明显是不对的. announced和后面宾语从句时态不一致的离谱. 没有任何理由后面应该用现在时.


关于宾语从句必须要有that的问题, 我认为我们不应该再怀疑了. 在一般的用语中, that作为宾语从句的引导词, 确实不是必须的, 可OG的众多例子已明确表示其态度. (除了并列省略为了表示简洁以外, 没有任何反例是省略that的)


accounce to be closing, 我认为从语感角度讲有表达将来时的倾向. 整个句子的结构很流畅. 唯一美中不足的就是那个on account of. 我认为, 只要这个表达是符合语法的, 而且OG没有明确指出其correctiveness的错误, 就不应该视为错. OG确实有 because/because of/on account of之间的比较, 而OG没有选择on account of的唯一原因是说他不简洁, 这只是efffectiveness的问题. longman上面对on account of 的解释:


on account of something: because of something else(两者对等), especially a problem or difficulty:


She was told to wear flat shoes, on account of her back problem.

非常适用于本题, 就是遭遇difficulties.  



作者: windlake    时间: 2005-6-14 03:02
C

以下是引用薰衣紫草在2005-6-14 0:52:00的发言:

accounce to be closing, 我认为从语感角度讲有表达将来时的倾向. 整个句子的结构很流畅.


可是在longman 中没有announce to do的用法呀?用也是这样用的:


The Prime Minister has just announced there is to be a General Election next month.


唯一美中不足的就是那个on account of. 我认为, 只要这个表达是符合语法的, 而且OG没有明确指出其correctiveness的错误, 就不应该视为错. OG确实有 because/because of/on account of之间的比较, 而OG没有选择on account of的唯一原因是说他不简洁, 这只是efffectiveness的问题.


关于on account of 的说法,支持!


作者: 梦精灵_Fly    时间: 2005-6-14 10:35

C!我发现OG164,答案C,ETS解释说C不对,因为proposed fundings...to be错!应该是proposed fundings...be。而且他还自己加了一个[thaat]在proposed后面,也就是说它不认为that没有错,而是认为that这里省略了,所以后面还是要虚拟语气。也就是说有没有that并不是一个绝对的错误。


Ok,C!


作者: jnlvo    时间: 2005-6-14 11:09

我感觉ETS对宾语从句省略that是否必错,表述的并不清楚,或是前后并不非常一致。除了上面提到的OG164,还有下面几处提及(不一定全)


OG139


The extraordinary diary of William Lyon Mackenzie King, prime minister of Canada for over twenty years, revealed that this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic guided in both public and private life by omens, messages received at séances, and signs from heaven.


(A) that this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic guided in both public and


(B) that this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic and also guided both in public as well as


(C) this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic and that he was guided in both public and


(D) this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic and that he was guided in both public as well asA


(E) this most bland and circumspect of men to have been a mystic and that he guided himself both in public as well as


In choices C and D, that is required to introduce the clause x was a mystic if that introduces the second clause, he was guided....


这里that是必须的,这是因为后面有that。似乎可以后面没有,前面也没有。


OG155


Federal authorities involved in the investigation have found the local witnesses are difficult to locate, reticent, and are suspicious of strangers.


(A) the local witnesses are difficult to locate, reticent, and are


(B) local witnesses to be difficult to locate, reticent, and are


(C) that local witnesses are difficult to locate, reticent, and


(D) local witnesses are difficult to locate and reticent, and they are(C)


(E) that local witnesses are difficult to locate and reticent, and they are


Moreover, A, B, and D lack the conjunction that needed to introduce the direct object clause.


这里到是比较清楚地提到了要that。


而OG157


A number of linguists contend that all of the thousands of languages spoken by the world’s five billion people can be traced back to a common root language.


(A) that all of the thousands of languages spoken by the world’s five billion people can be traced


(B) that the world’s five billion people speak thousands of languages of which all can be traced


(C) the world’s five billion people speak thousands of languages which are all traceable


(D) all of the thousands of languages spoken by the world’s five billion people to be traceable(A)


(E) the ability to trace all of the thousands of languages that are spoken by the world’s five billion people


B and C produce convoluted and ill-focused sentences by making the world’s five billion people the subject of the noun clause.


对于C,OG中没有提及“that" is needed, 不知是疏忽还是觉得这个小错不值一提,或是有时这样省略是可以接受的。


作者: 薰衣紫草    时间: 2005-6-14 11:47
以下是引用梦精灵_Fly在2005-6-14 10:35:00的发言:

C!我发现OG164,答案C,ETS解释说C不对,因为proposed fundings...to be错!应该是proposed fundings...be。而且他还自己加了一个[thaat]在proposed后面,也就是说它不认为that没有错,而是认为that这里省略了,所以后面还是要虚拟语气。也就是说有没有that并不是一个绝对的错误。


Ok,C!


[  ] 这个符号在正规英语表达中的作用是指原文中没有的, 而你在自己的表述中引用了原文, 但为了尊重原来作者的表达, 要用这个符号来向读者说明这是你后来添加的. 这个符号在OG164里的作用就是说明C本来没有that, 而现在他的解释里有了that.

况且前面也很清楚j解释需要that.


作者: 薰衣紫草    时间: 2005-6-14 11:58
以下是引用jnlvo在2005-6-14 11:09:00的发言:

我感觉ETS对宾语从句省略that是否必错,表述的并不清楚,或是前后并不非常一致。除了上面提到的OG164,还有下面几处提及(不一定全)


OG139


The extraordinary diary of William Lyon Mackenzie King, prime minister of Canada for over twenty years, revealed that this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic guided in both public and private life by omens, messages received at séances, and signs from heaven.



(A) that this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic guided in both public and



(B) that this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic and also guided both in public as well as



(C) this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic and that he was guided in both public and



(D) this most bland and circumspect of men was a mystic and that he was guided in both public as well asA



(E) this most bland and circumspect of men to have been a mystic and that he guided himself both in public as well as



In choices C and D, that is required to introduce the clause x was a mystic if that introduces the second clause, he was guided....


这里that是必须的,这是因为后面有that。似乎可以后面没有,前面也没有。


不知是不是我今天太累了, 我怎么就是找不到后面的那个that?


OG155


Federal authorities involved in the investigation have found the local witnesses are difficult to locate, reticent, and are suspicious of strangers.



(A) the local witnesses are difficult to locate, reticent, and are



(B) local witnesses to be difficult to locate, reticent, and are



(C) that local witnesses are difficult to locate, reticent, and



(D) local witnesses are difficult to locate and reticent, and they are(C)



(E) that local witnesses are difficult to locate and reticent, and they are



Moreover, A, B, and D lack the conjunction that needed to introduce the direct object clause.


这里到是比较清楚地提到了要that。


而OG157


A number of linguists contend that all of the thousands of languages spoken by the world’s five billion people can be traced back to a common root language.



(A) that all of the thousands of languages spoken by the world’s five billion people can be traced



(B) that the world’s five billion people speak thousands of languages of which all can be traced



(C) the world’s five billion people speak thousands of languages which are all traceable



(D) all of the thousands of languages spoken by the world’s five billion people to be traceable(A)



(E) the ability to trace all of the thousands of languages that are spoken by the world’s five billion people



B and C produce convoluted and ill-focused sentences by making the world’s five billion people the subject of the noun clause.


对于C,OG中没有提及“that" is needed, 不知是疏忽还是觉得这个小错不值一提,或是有时这样省略是可以接受的。

OG有很多选项里的错误并没有说全. 这一点, 我想大家都没有什么异议.

我曾经比较全面的整理过宾语从句的that (如果大家需要, 我可以贴上来, 但比较长), 发现在OG里只要是宾语从句, 就一定加that. 而且不止一次说it's needed. 只有一种情况例外, 就是两个宾语从句并列, 而前后两个宾语从句的谓语相同, 那后面的一个that就可以省略.


如此明显的暗示, 我们不应该再怀疑, 毕竟我们要靠ETS自己的矛去攻他自己的盾.


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作者: 梦精灵_Fly    时间: 2005-6-14 17:41

[  ] 这个符号在正规英语表达中的作用是指原文中没有的, 而你在自己的表述中引用了原文, 但为了尊重原来作者的表达, 要用这个符号来向读者说明这是你后来添加的. 这个符号在OG164里的作用就是说明C本来没有that, 而现在他的解释里有了that.

况且前面也很清楚j解释需要that.



faint,MM好像说绕口令一样我都绕晕了。我们并没有在C答案里面看到that,ETS却说要用虚拟语气,为什么呢?因为他认为that省略了。否则,他就应该说C的错误是没有that,而不是to be 改成be.


作者: 薰衣紫草    时间: 2005-6-14 23:51

对不起, 确实晦涩了些. 我修过一门课, ENG102, 里面有专门一章就是讲标点符号的. 而这是它最精确的解释了.


我对C的理解跟你不同. ETS认为这个答案应该是一个完整的句子来解释propose的内容, 当然同时就要用虚拟语气. 同时前面也要有that.


Choice C omits that, the object of proposed that is needed to introduce the clause describing the proposal.


这句话好象不难理解吧. 怎么会出现这么大的差异?


即便象楼上所说的, ETS认为C省略了that, 那也不是说这个省略就对. C是错误选项, 错误选项的省略不能保证是对的,即使ETS没有指出.


作者: joe11    时间: 2005-6-15 03:29

OG 164.Choice C omits that, the object of proposed that is needed to introduce the clause describing the proposal. C also uses to be unidiomatically where be is correct: the commission proposed [that] funding... to be obtained is wrong.

这里的 [that] 是对上文所述的Choice C omits that 的认可和呼应。不应该认为是
that 可有可无。并且, Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary (
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/) 上明确要求 that 不能省略。

[+ that] The Prime Minister has announced that public spending will be increased next year.

对于这道Q 23. 欧认为 D 更合理, 如果该题目的确一点不差的话。

将句子简化一下:

C. Company A announced it was closing up to one fourth of its stores because of poor sales.

D. Company A announed to be closing up to one fourth of its stores because of poor sales.

对于C, 缺少 that. 如果保证该题的绝对原版没有错误, 欧选 D.

对于D, to be 是动词不定式作宾语,其逻辑主语是主句主语,不是与 announced
的固定搭配。故大家在 Longman 上找不到 announce to do 的用法。

to be closing
是动词不定式的进行时,表示正在进行的与谓语同时发生的动作,其含义与一般进行时态相似。在句中作宾语。 但是 OG 从来没有考过 to be doing 的形式。


most likely, 这道题的 C, 作者少抄了个 that。


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作者: tulipmontreal    时间: 2005-6-15 07:49

C 不对 因为WAS和前面的ANNOUNCES时态不对


我选D


D是正确的


现在的趋势没有THAT也可能对 看具体问题


A 里面THEY指待不明


作者: henry_shao    时间: 2005-6-15 11:31

我觉得应该选C。






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