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作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2015-7-31 00:14
标题: 布鲁克林法学院招生官门琦博士、律师，前新东方名师门琦老师解答大家提问
大家好！我是美国纽约市布鲁克林法学院国际招生副主任门琦。我也是布鲁克林法学院2014届法律博士毕业生。我发帖的目的是为了向国内的同学们介绍我自己，和我所在的法学院。希望借此机会帮助大家顺利进行法学院的申请，拿到最适合法学院的OFFER，成功就业、发展。在就读布鲁克林法学院之前，我在北京新东方教授托福考试，LSAT获得了165分的成绩，成功拿到了布鲁克林法学院3万美金的奖学金，就读于纽约市中心的历史保护区布鲁克林高地的这所犹太教会法学院。
            校门口紧邻美国地方法院，美国破产法院，美国联邦检察官纽约东部办公室，纽约州最高法院，上诉庭和家事法庭，布鲁克林检察官办公室，国王郡遗嘱检验法院，纽约市民事和刑事法庭，法律援助协会办公室，和众多的律师事务所。这些法院、司法商会、政府机构和律师事务所是我们学生的法律实践基地。他们提供大量宝贵的工作机会和实习机会，我们的地势优势是美国任何其它法学院都无法比拟的。
            法学院地处交通枢纽，乘车几分钟即可到达曼哈顿市区，这里是全世界的金融、法律、商业和文化中心。
1. J.D.法律博士项目：2-3-4年制
            布鲁克林法学院是大纽约地区第一个实施两年制J.D.法律博士项目的法学院，另外，还是美国唯一一个提供灵活学制的法学院。学生就读博士项目期间，可自由选择适合自己的学制，可供选项有：
·       加速2年制和2年半制
·       标准3年制
·       延长3年半制，4年制和4年半制
在所有的选项中，学生可以自由选择自己喜欢的学制长短。另外，申请2年制和3年制的学生可以延后毕业时间，就读3年制或4年制的学生可以提前一学期毕业。
2. LL.M.法律硕士项目
   我们的LL.M.法律硕士项目被《纽约法律期刊》杂志评为全美综合排名第一名。布鲁克林法学院法硕项目专为外国培训的律师设计，帮助学生掌握在美国执业的必备技能，以便于他们在美国或自己的国家更好地执业。
   我们的硕士项目需要24个学分毕业，学生可以全职学习一年，或者兼职学习两年以完成学业。基于外国律师独特的成长背景，布鲁克林法学院独创的法律硕士教学方式注重培养学生成为更有效率更自信的跨国律师。学生既可以选择考取纽约州律师资格证书的课程，也可以在自己感兴趣的某一个法律领域作深入研究。法律研究生项目涉及诸多法律领域，包括商法、知识产权法、刑法、避难与移民等。
法律硕士学生是法学院活跃知识青年的一个重要组成部分，他们和J.D.法律博士学生一样参加学校的各类学术项目，例如丹尼斯·J·伯洛克国际商法研究中心提供的国际商法奖学金，教授指导或者校外执业律师指导的实习项目，学校40多个学生团体，公益法律支援项目，甚至参与撰写学校出版的法律学术评论与期刊。
3. 法律语言研究所
   法学院赞助成立的法律语言研究所是学校著名的法学、语言与认知研究中心的分支机构。随着法律全球化的发展，法律业务在多种语言环境中展开，急需对不同法律文化有着深入理解的法律人才。该研究所设立的法律密集英语课程每年七月开班，帮助-外国的律师和学生学习美国法律语言，参与美国法律相关课程，帮助国外律师和学生熟悉美国法律文化。
4. 学生群体
   布鲁克林法学院拥有一个多样化的、优秀的学生群体。根据今年的新生统计数据显示，2014届新生来自美国35个州，5个国家，175所大学和71个专业，其中很多大学是美国常春藤大学。他们的LSAT平均分遥遥领先于美国其它大学，名列前30%。65%的新生有一年以上的工作经验，而且，很大一部分来自职场成功人士，包括会计、医药、银行、商贸、执法部门、政府部门、表演艺术等众多领域。布鲁克林法学院极高的名誉使得我们的毕业生被雇主追捧。毕业数据显示，我们2013届毕业生九个月就业率高达90%。
教授团队
   我们有65名全职教授和140名兼职教授(包括杰出的法官，执业律师和企业法律顾问)，共同组成纽约最大的法学教授群体之一。我们的教授团队，既是学识卓越的教师，也是对校内外有深远影响的学者、美国政策塑造者和法律实践家，更是多产的作家。他们在诸多学术领域享有全球影响力，例如投资保护和刑事法律，商业和破产法，公司和证券法，证据法，家庭法，性别歧视法，信息保护和互联网法，知识产权法，国际商法，税法和侵权法。作为法学院学术能力考核指标之一，按照2007年至2011年的论文引用率计算，我们教授团队的学术影响力在全美排名为第41位。布鲁克林法学院人文和谐，治学严谨，课堂极具挑战性，同学互助互惠，教授平易近人。我们对教学和导师制度的重视直接关联到毕业生律师资格考试通过率。我们2013届毕业生律师资格考试首次通过率为94％，远远超过纽约州律师资格考试平均首次通过率86%。
5. 毕业生群体
   我们与将近21,000名布鲁克林法学院校友保持着密切联系，我们的校友群体是全美法学院最大的校友群体之一，分布于美国几乎所有的州，和海外35个国家。成功培养了众多杰出的政治家，法官，律师事务所合伙人，公共利益倡导者和卓越的商业领袖。他们定期拜访法学院，与学生分享他们的成功经验，并为学生的职业发展出谋划策，贡献自己的社交网络。他们是学生的榜样和导师，也是我们最好的，最忠诚的资产。
高年级课程体系
学生可以从约240门高年级课程和研讨课中选择适合自己的课程体系，法学院提供的课程几乎涉及法律每一个领域。我们广泛的，灵活的课程体系既能使学生综合涉猎众多课程，也能专注于19个较集中的专业领域。我们还提供证书课程，包括商业法方向，刑法方向，知识产权法方向，国际法方向和房地产法方向，为学生提供深入的理论学习和实践机会，同时为学生增强技能和信心，让他们在未来职场中脱颖而出。
布鲁克林法学院的教育临床项目为学生提供各种法律实践机会。学生在学院教授和执业律师的监督下，接触实际客户，解决实际案件，获得实际经验。因其法律临床项目难出其右的多样化和综合性，《美国法学家》杂志将布鲁克林法学院列为全美排名第六位的实践型法学院。其中最有代表性的临床教育项目有移民法，消费者保护，劳动法，社会公益法，科技创新企业法，公司法，和低收入住房合作社法律援助。法律临床教育项目共提供31类教授指导实习项目和执业律师指导项目，使得学生有机会接触纽约市的每一个州际和联邦法院，数百个政府机构，律师事务所和企业内部部门。
学生在法学院学习的每一天都是机遇与挑战的共存。在此我们只列举法学院的部分创新项目。我们的都市创业中心(CUBE)帮助创业者解决创业过程中遇到的法律难题，为新公司、新非盈利组织的成立扫清障碍，并已成功为欧洲一个由十六名学术合伙人组成的联合企业提供登录法律服务。我们的丹尼斯·J·伯洛克国际商法研究中心为有兴趣学习国际商业与政策的学生提供奖学金，此项目专注于国际商业和政策领域中的法律问题。而我们的商业法律与法规研究中心则注重于为现实世界的商业法律和监管问题提出新的视角和解决方案。
关于布鲁克林法学院，我要说得太多，这一封简短的帖子根本不能概括法学院的全部。因此，我邀请您浏览学校的官方网站http://www.brooklaw.edu，如有任何问题，请直接与我联系。我真诚的希望，有更多的学生，能通过我的帮助，实现自己美国法学院的梦想。

门琦博士
Qi Men

国际招生办公室副主任
Assistant Director of Admissions for International StudentRecruitment
布鲁克林法学院
Brooklyn Law School
250 Joralemon Street,
Brooklyn, NY 11201
Tel: (718) 780 0364
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qi.men@brooklaw.edu

作者: fuqiangping 时间: 2015-8-17 00:35
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作者: sdcar2010 时间: 2015-8-18 06:01
这种法学院出来的国际学生，至少在美国很难找到工作的。慎重。

作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2015-8-21 04:09

fuqiangping 发表于 2015-8-17 00:35
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lol.........

作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2015-8-21 04:09

sdcar2010 发表于 2015-8-18 06:01
这种法学院出来的国际学生，至少在美国很难找到工作的。慎重。

这个群都是要去美国读法学院的，风险自知吧。。

作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2015-8-21 04:18

门琦老师发表于 2015-8-21 04:09
这个群都是要去美国读法学院的，风险自知吧。。

我们法学院就业率90%，我现在也在法学院工作啊。就业对不努力的人来讲总是难的，对努力的人来讲，就业不是难事。越努力，越幸运啊孩子。

作者: sdcar2010 时间: 2015-8-22 06:38
请贴出有中国籍、没绿卡或美国公民身份的应届法学院JD 学生的毕业后就业率及国内国外流向、他们的第一个 POST- LAW SCHOOL 的年薪。

万一那10%没找到工作的人里面，包括了所有（楼主除外）的中国学生呢？

作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2016-6-28 04:15

sdcar2010 发表于 2015-8-22 06:38
请贴出有中国籍、没绿卡或美国公民身份的应届法学院JD 学生的毕业后就业率及国内国外流向、他们的第一个 PO ...

我晕。
中国籍、没绿卡的应届毕业法学院JD，我们的就业率到目前为止是100%阿亲，比美国本土学生要高。原因呢，很简单，我们是在纽约，所以这里工作就业机会多，这是一方面，而且这里更需要有国际背景的律师，所以中国jd毕业生就比本土学生有一个特殊技能--中文和中国背景。所以也更容易找到工作。

作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2016-6-28 04:19

sdcar2010 发表于 2015-8-18 06:01
这种法学院出来的国际学生，至少在美国很难找到工作的。慎重。

不是这样的。清华大学法学院有三位都是毕业于布鲁克林法学院。我们的国际学生就业率到目前为止一直保持在100%，比本土美国学生的就业率90%还要高。原因是，纽约更需要有国际背景的、通宵另外一门语言的优秀律师，所以外国留学生律师比本土学生更有市场。
而且布鲁克林法学院身处华尔街和纽约市法院区，实习、就业非常有保障。一所法学院能独立存活上百年，它的强悍之处是可想而知的。

作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2016-6-28 04:20

sdcar2010 发表于 2015-8-18 06:01
这种法学院出来的国际学生，至少在美国很难找到工作的。慎重。

作者: sdcar2010 时间: 2016-7-8 10:01
Throwback To The Days Of Junk Employment Statistics

June 16th, 2016 / By Kyle McEntee

Welcome to the second installment of Caveat Venditor, a series that assesses claims made by law schools to separate truth from fiction. This week we look at Brooklyn Law School’s employment rate of 92.2% posted on its “By The Numbers” infographic.

I noticed this claim on Brooklyn’s website after investigating the concern of a prelaw advisor. At the quadrennial Pre-Law Advisor National Council conference, this prelaw advisor asked what to do when a law school does not meet the accreditation requirements by not publishing the required disclosures. Indeed, Brooklyn was publishing an old report nearly six months after the ABA required them to publish its new one. Brooklyn remedied this problem on Monday, citing an “oversight due to transitions in several administrative departments in the last year.” According to a spokesperson from the law school, the ABA did not follow up with the law school to make sure it published the materials on time or at all.

(The answer, by the way, is to contact the ABA Section of Legal Education, the law school, or my organization, Law School Transparency.)

After the continued bad news about the job market for law school graduates, 92.5% looks fantastic to students looking at Brooklyn Law School. It’s therefore worth examining further.

The school graduated 336 students, 300 of whom had any job — whether it requires bar passage or not, is full-time or part-time, is long-term or short-term, or is funded by the school or not. Dividing 300 into 336 produces a rate of 89.3%, short of 92.5%. That means we have to make adjustments to this equation’s numerator, denominator, or both.

In this case both.

To get to 92.5%, Brooklyn adds to the numerator three graduates who were unemployed as of the reporting deadline, but had accepted a job with a deferred start date. The school also adds another three graduates who were unemployed as of the reporting deadline, but began “full-time or part-time employment after the March 15 deadline.” (Source.)

From the denominator, Brooklyn removes two graduates who are unemployed but not seeking a job, as well as three graduates who are pursuing an additional degree. (300 + 3 + 3) / (336 – 2 – 3) = 92.5%.

The employment rate on the infographic has an asterisk on it. Follow the asterisk to the bottom of the page and there’s a link. At that link, Brooklyn refers to an “adjusted employment rate” and explains the rate in minimal detail. Even with the explanation, however, the figure is misleading.

Indeed, it’s a return to the way things were before the law school transparency movement. Law schools and the ABA maintained a tapestry of fictional statistics that deceived the public. Schools advertised employment rates north of 90 percent without disclosing that its parts were… not what consumers thought. Much of the deception was unintentional because law school administrators were afflicted by the same cultural conditioning that afflicted applicants who saw these statistics and confirmed their perceptions of law school.

But today, law school administrators know better. In some ways, that makes the efforts by Brooklyn Law School more egregious. They are aware of the history of the problem and why there was an outcry to stop.

Even with underlying data available elsewhere, the school’s infographic misleads readers and is inconsistent with industry norms. This is confirmed by the ABA’s accreditation standards and the ABA’s guidance memo on Standard 509 compliance. Standard 509(a) requires that any materials published by the law school are “complete, accurate and not misleading to a reasonable law school student or applicant.” The guidance memo reads:

Any analysis or elaboration of the data that Standard 509 mandates must be placed in the same portion(s) of the school’s website as the mandated disclosures or with prominent links to them. Further, any analysis or elaboration of the data must come after the information that is published in the form and manner designated by the Council. Finally, the display of the analysis and elaboration of the data may not be more conspicuous or prominent than the display of the mandated disclosures.
Ultimately, the problem Brooklyn faces is one of both form and of substance. The required link is not prominent, it is after the analysis/elaboration, and the glossy statistic is more prominent than the link, even with the asterisk.

There’s also the problem of the statistic being used at all. First, adding graduates who obtained jobs after the reporting deadline leads to inconsistent figures that provide a leg up for Brooklyn over its peer schools. A spokesperson for the school said the jobs were obtained “shortly after” the reporting deadline. One important question is: how far past the date is too far? The ABA employment data measure employment status as of a specific date that applies to all ABA-approved law schools. “A reasonable law student or applicant” will assume consistency among schools — rightly so. The answer, therefore, is that it does not matter how far after, the jobs should not count.

Second, the number is just not meaningful. It includes part-time jobs, short-term jobs, and jobs funded by the law school.

Fortunately, there are resources out there that help people understand Brooklyn Law School’s statistics. You can use the ABA’s website, my organization’s website, and even Brooklyn’s disclosures elsewhere (here and here) on their site. But that’s no excuse for Brooklyn Law School. Its administration should know better by now.

Today, I spoke to three administrators at the law school about these observations. One person said the following in defense:

What we’ve done historically is taken the ABA data, which we are required to report and report in ABA form, and what we do is take a slightly adjusted rate because we feel we shouldn’t be penalized for those who are not seeking [a job] or for people who have gone on to graduate degrees, that the ABA does not count as employed.
The second person said that the school is therefore “more transparent” and that “[Brooklyn Law School is] giving more information than the ABA — it gives a more fulsome picture than just the raw data. Our feeling is that we’re going above and beyond what the ABA requires.”

The third person’s comments right after really drive home the problem with this statistic. She said “it’s an overall snapshot.”

Brooklyn Law School is not alone in still using these type of figures. Its peer right across the river, Seton Hall, advertises a similar employment rate on their website.

What’s frustrating here is that Seton Hall does not even need to use such a silly statistic. Its job outcomes in 2015 were quite good because the school cut its enrollment quite far due to its commitment to maintaining its admissions standards. For the class of 2015, 79.4% of all Seton Hall graduates were in long-term, bar-passage required jobs, plus 11.8% in other professional long-term, full-time jobs. The school goes above and beyond with sound advice to applicants on its blog, and is also among the more than 60% of law schools publishing their NALP Reports each year.

In response to my request for Seton Hall to stop using this statistic, Kathleen Boozang, the school’s dean, told me the following:

Seton Hall is comfortable with and proud about the placement of all of its graduates. We work hard to help our graduates launch careers that fulfill their aspirations. I am happy to own the outcomes because it fulfills our moral responsibility to our students. We believe our prospective students will benefit by focusing more specifically on the long-term, full-time jobs that require bar passage or where the JD is an advantage.
I’m happy to see Seton Hall commit to fixing the problem.

The underlying data used by both schools highlight the problems with the statistic well. Based on the “snapshot” figures, Seton Hall and Brooklyn appear to have very similar job outcomes. But when you peel back the layers, you can see how the employment outcomes differ. After all, if a school did not think the glossy job rates discussed above would be acted upon by potential students, the school would not publish them so conspicuously.

作者: 门琦老师 时间: 2016-8-24 01:24

sdcar2010 发表于 2016-7-8 10:01
Throwback To The Days Of Junk Employment Statistics

June 16th, 2016 / By Kyle McEntee

https://brooklynedge.brooklaw.edu/

根据ABA的数据，我们2015届毕业生的就业率高达89.2%，虽然之前的就业率计算有一些偏差，但是就业率数字说明一切。

作者: hihaihai 时间: 2017-3-6 10:43
排名很靠后，如果学费是前14的一半，就比较有竞争力。

作者: wm2014 时间: 2017-12-14 02:21
LLM 与JD到底是什么差别啊

作者: 木景帆 时间: 2018-1-26 09:42

门琦老师发表于 2015-8-21 04:09
lol.........

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