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作者: juliahom1121    时间: 2005-6-7 21:04
标题: 去西班牙IE?给点意见
各位,我准备去西班牙,马德里的IE商学院。有了解欧洲的吗?给点意见,谢谢。
作者: ASUNG    时间: 2005-6-8 00:17

IE is a good school. Don't forget to apply Asian scholarship. Start job seaching early while you are still in school (I heared from my friend who's studying there that the school's career service team didn't help a lot in this concern)


作者: juliahom1121    时间: 2005-6-8 15:57
After I graduate from IE, do I have advantages to find a job?
作者: ASUNG    时间: 2005-6-8 17:13
To be honest I don't know. I think it depends on your pre-MBA working experience, your language skills, country where you want to work, industry, timing etc. Hard to say. My friend is from Taiwan. He speaks good English and Spanish, want to work in finance, banking etc......he's thinking of having another MBA now. But again, it's just one case and I can not tell you that you will not find a good job after IE. School can not make or break you. In Europe IE is well known. That's all I know.
作者: juliahom1121    时间: 2005-6-9 20:28

Ok, I totally understand what's your meaning and thank you very much.


作者: laststraw    时间: 2005-6-11 18:01

真可惜,今年没法去IE做PHD了。但心理对IE还是很有感情,帮偶谢谢Mr.Hopfle还有战略的KOCK教授吧。过几天应该去IE亲自溜达一圈~~~:(


作者: ASUNG    时间: 2005-6-11 18:31
我只有周末可以打中文,這樣解釋起來可能清楚一點

你除了IE有別的選擇嘛?IE的入學是可以保留兩年的,你有想過IESE或ESADE嗎?

不是說IE不好,不過你到了西班牙會發現一般來說評價依然是IESE好過ESADE好過IE

原因是第一西班牙傳統的商學院中IE仍是差另兩間一點,還有就是有些人說IE的名氣是行銷手段拱出來的,學生畢業薪資的平均遜於IESE跟ESADE

IE背後是個XXX家族(忘記名字)他們整握馬德里的傳播媒體,又提供不是很正確的資料給排名機構來造就高排名,然後拼命加開各種課程搶錢,IE的校園並
不大(在市區)可是各種MBA,master of finance
etc的學生總數很多,連週末可以K書的空間都沒有,入學前校方對學生是很熱情的,之後就業服務就沒那麼好

(全部是從我目前正在IE念的朋友那聽來的,因為我也有申請IE也有offer)

我在德國參加IE的information session, 現場快20個校友全部是公司資助去念IE的,所以畢業後自然回原公司都不用找工作,所以就業統計也有很大一部分是灌水的...


作者: wupeng    时间: 2005-6-11 21:17
以下是引用laststraw在2005-6-11 18:01:00的发言:

真可惜,今年没法去IE做PHD了。但心理对IE还是很有感情,帮偶谢谢Mr.Hopfle还有战略的KOCK教授吧。过几天应该去IE亲自溜达一圈~~~:(


草草哥们:很三八的问一下:你在法国什么学校阿?


作者: johnko    时间: 2005-6-12 11:05

1. ASUNG's info is very interesting, thanks!


2. Besides that, I prefer IE because of its duration and location, Madrid, the capital of Spain.


3. IESE is very expensive (a two-yr program), I believe IESE also put lots of marketing effort to raise its ranking. Seems much like a U.S. MBA instead of an Euro MBA.


4. ESADE, I can not understand what its selling point is.


5. Such artificial job statistic data is similar to INSEAD's after which many students returned to their sponsor companies.


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作者: ASUNG    时间: 2005-6-12 19:50
Interesting...

Everyone knows INSEAD is more a US MBA than a Euro MBA.

Never heared that IESE is also one.

Just curious.....in your opinion which schools in Europe are US MBA system and which schools are Euro system?

I think ESADE is good at industry, markeitng jobs. At least IESE takes
ESADE as their main competitor but not IE. (My first hand experience
after joining the open day at both schools)

But to be honest I think as an inernational student you can't go wrong
with all IESE, ESADE and IE. If one really want to stay in Europe
afterwards it still depends on one's language skill and pre-MBA
experiences. These schools are not THAT different.




作者: zjna    时间: 2005-6-13 14:25

Everybody shall have a assessment about himself and choose a most suitabl business school.


I got the offer and scholarship from IE and based my decision on following reasons:


1. shorter time compared with the other two


2. not too expensive with the scholarship specially for the Chinese


3. the people in IE are quick to respond and helpful duirng admission


4. the placement after graduation depends mostly on one's ambition and orientation.


besides, ESADE is highly ranked by Business Week.



作者: ASUNG    时间: 2005-6-13 17:25

Congradulations zjna,


When will you be in Spain? Do let us know how you feel after you inroll in the program.I believe you will have a better felling about these 3 programs once you are in Sapin(Europe). All the best.


作者: juliahom1121    时间: 2005-6-13 22:12

问 Asung:


你觉得在德国MBA和商学院的学生找工作的情况乐观吗?还有如果去IE读完书,在欧洲其他国家找工作方面吗?还有你说找工作的情况要根据个人的语言水平和工作经验而定,你指的是英语水平还是什么其他语言?


凭你的观察,去IE是否真能学到知识和有用的技能?


谢谢回答


作者: juliahom1121    时间: 2005-6-16 11:03

那个,怎么没人理?


还有大家不是说可以保留2年的入学资格吗?这个是啥意思?怎么运作?


对了,奖学金能保留吗?


谢谢,回答,很急


作者: ASUNG    时间: 2005-6-16 16:20

Hi Juliahom 112,


As I understand, IE's offer is good for 2 years, when they give me the offer they put down these words on the offer letter. Please go back check again or you may try to ask the school. I believe for scholarship you can not defer it. But you should be able to apply again next year when you decided to go to IE again.


After IE you can try to find job in UK and Spain(assume you pick up some Spanish).


In countries such as Germany, France....it will be kind of difficult if you don't speak German/Franch....I also don'T speak German but work here in Bonn. My suggestion is you don't need to master the language before you try to find a job....what you need is:


Master in English + basic German/Franch/Spanish skill and show your interest in improving that language. (But I can only speak for international companies) The reason is that in these companies the official language is often English. Their employees also have good level of English ability. Acturally as long as you don't need to deal directly with the client, you can do all the work in English.I am working here for T-Mobile (The 3rd biggest telecom company in US/Europe) and I know another Chinese who work in DHL also can only speak English....By the way we are not ABC. English is not our native language.




作者: juliahom1121    时间: 2005-6-18 14:10

你好ASUNG:


谢谢你的建议,我觉得很是受用。我还是下定决心先有点工作经验再去读书(我申请的时候还没有足够的条件,下这个决心)。我先工作的目的是使自己的经验更丰富,更有自信(听起来有点逗,但是我真实的想法)。还有就是我现在并没有完全确定我的职业目标,只是有个模糊的想法。


总之,非常感谢你的建议。



作者: fwm7921    时间: 2005-6-26 12:30
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作者: fwm7921    时间: 2005-6-26 12:32
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作者: juliahom1121    时间: 2005-6-26 20:17

I do not think IE can not attract very good students so that they treat you nice, just because they hope chinese students go Span


by the way, I think I am a very good student


作者: ASUNG    时间: 2005-6-27 20:20

Hi,


I'm very interesting in the information you give, since I'm  also applying in this school.


but IE is not one of the best school, as you said, well, I don't know much about it. the admission office is very kind to Chinese student, I think they can't attract many good students, anyway, I will try,


I'm in beijing now, if some has got offer from IE, Pls contact me


>> Just because IE is not very well known in China doesn't mean that it can not attract good students. It just shows that they didn't allocate enough marketing resources IN CHINA yet. Acturally in Europe people's general concept(The business people who know MBA, not the old lady next door)is still that IE better than those so called hot new MBAs such as Oxford.My flatmate is handling recruitment in DHL. This year they recruit new MBAs for internship from schools like LBS, INSEAD,IESE,ESADE, IE,HEC, SDA, and RSM only. By the way I am not going to IE so I am definitly not defending it for self interest reasons.


作者: fwm7921    时间: 2005-8-2 15:39
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作者: hybo    时间: 2005-8-6 12:59

恭喜啊!


作者: giraffe    时间: 2005-8-16 23:16
IE还是偏向女生啊.
作者: fwm7921    时间: 2005-8-17 15:24
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作者: giraffe    时间: 2005-8-17 16:08

说错话了.IE的当然都是牛牛,不过相同情况下,女生还是有优势的,起码在奖学金上面.






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