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作者: MidnightTrain    时间: 2005-4-5 15:21
标题: 求助 - 关于PHD 的 OFFER
前不久答应了DREXEL U 的 FINANCE 的 PHD
的OFFER,当时没有其他的OFFER,所以在答复DEADLINE的前一天就答应接受他的OFFER了。现在突然收到了U OF GEORGIA
的 PHD IN RISK MANAGEMENT AND INSURANCE 的
OFFER,一下子感觉乱了阵脚。最重要的问题是,已经答应了别人如果反悔是不是很不道德,是不是还有其他方面的约束。如果是那样的话我就不会去麻烦这事
了。



顺便再问问关于RISK MANAGEMENT AND INSURANCE
毕业后的出路,听说没有FINANCE好,FINANCE研究覆盖的面更广,职位更多。但U OF GEORGIA 比
DREXEL的名气好像要高很多,而且课程上RISK MANAGEMENT AND INSURANCE 会学大部分的FINANCE 的 PHD
的课程。



头痛中。请XDJM们帮忙出出主意,该怎么办。谢谢了。


作者: brace    时间: 2005-4-7 02:46
以下是引用MidnightTrain在2005-4-5 15:21:00的发言:
前不久答应了DREXEL U 的 FINANCE 的 PHD
的OFFER,当时没有其他的OFFER,所以在答复DEADLINE的前一天就答应接受他的OFFER了。现在突然收到了U OF GEORGIA
的 PHD IN RISK MANAGEMENT AND INSURANCE 的
OFFER,一下子感觉乱了阵脚。最重要的问题是,已经答应了别人如果反悔是不是很不道德,是不是还有其他方面的约束。如果是那样的话我就不会去麻烦这事
了。



I do not think it is a serious problem.

You can change it. Just explain to the school.

Take it easy


作者: jadelo    时间: 2005-4-7 02:49

You have no obligation to abide by your commitment before April 15. Only after thhat date should you stick to your earlier decision.


So it's not too late to tell Drexel that you would not go.




作者: Brettthompson    时间: 2005-4-7 05:04




My bad. just remember today is not 4-15 yet.


Below is the full context of the 4-15 treaty. Please refer to it. But be careful to handle the issue.


Acceptance of an offer of financial support (such as a graduate scholarship, fellowship, traineeship, or assistantship) for the next academic year by a prospective or enrolled graduate student completes an agreement that both student and graduate school expect to honor. In that context, the conditions affecting such offers and their acceptance must be defined carefully and understood by all parties.



Students are under no obligation to respond to offers of financial support prior to April 15; earlier deadlines for acceptance of such offers violate the intent of this Resolution. In those instances in which a student accepts an offer before April 15, and subsequently desires to withdraw that acceptance, the student may submit in writing a resignation of the appointment at any time through April 15. However, an acceptance given or left in force after April 15 commits the student not to accept another offer without first obtaining a written release from the institution to which a commitment has been made. Similarly, an offer by an institution after April 15 is conditional on presentation by the student of the written release from any previously accepted offer. It is further agreed by the institutions and organizations subscribing to the above Resolution that a copy of this Resolution should accompany every scholarship, fellowship, traineeship, and assistantship offer.




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作者: MidnightTrain    时间: 2005-4-7 09:18
Thank you all for your great advice! Really really appreciate it!
作者: bubuluo    时间: 2005-4-8 13:57

U of Georgia's Risk Management and Insurance is good, and terry's rank is also satisfying.

楼主拿到的offer给奖学金多么?当初看他们的网页说好像没什么奖学金似的,就没有申…… 偶申这个专业的,可以联系一下哦~~


作者: charlizefan    时间: 2005-4-8 16:02
terry's ranking is good... risk management and insurance is a branch of
finance and shall have good future, though the job market supply and
demand side are both low right now... but going to industry you can
also make big money.


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作者: MidnightTrain    时间: 2005-4-8 16:35
奖学金不多,14K一年加上可能的一些另外的资助。不过听说生活费不贵。ATHENS是一个CITY,但由於号称文化气息较浓所以感觉是一个TOWN。今年他们只招一个,TEMPLE的那个RISK MANAGEMENT AND INSURANCE我也申请了,他们的那个DEPARTMENT今年没有分到钱,所以问我没钱是否有兴趣,当然是不会去的。WHARTON的那个我没报。GEORGIASTATE 和 U WISCONSIN 的 RISK MANAGEMENT 都把我据了。就目前情况来看,RISK MANAGEMENT ANDINSURANCE工作没FINANCE好找,每年毕业的才6-7个,FACULY职位只有4-5个,也有人去INDUSTRY的。象GEORGIA的TERRY毕业出来的RISK MANAGEMENT 学生的SALARY是90K-110K,比GEORGIA 的FINANCE毕业生的工资略少10-20K。

不过RISKMANAGEMENT我认为将来的发展空间还是挺大的,很多就是FINANCE的东西,所以FINANCE将是他们规定的MINOR,FINANCE的80%的课程包括RESEARCH我们都要上,这个专业新兴的研究领域是把RISK MANAGEMENT ANDINSURANCE和FINANCE理论的结合,所以我个人比较感兴趣。

以上是目前的一些浅薄的想法,希望能和大家一起切磋。如果你拿到了RISK MANAGEMENT 的 PHDOFFER,请问你是WHARTON的还是GSU,还是U WISCONSIN 的呢,好像FLORIDA STATE也有,不过不强,我看到我们那个专业毕业的某些人去FLORIDA STATE教书。不过也有到更差的地方去的,如U OF LOUISIANA 或U OF ARKANSAS。

谢谢各位。

作者: bubuluo    时间: 2005-4-8 21:31

赞楼主

偶的wharton和wisc一早被拒,前一阵在gsu的wait list1上,今天教授来信说应该可以给我,今年招了4个人.他们的program改革了,而且近两年雇了好多新的faculty. 很郁闷的是他们的网页上找不到就业的情况,不过gsu的综合名气实在是不太好,不知到有没有影响

RMI毕业工作似乎的确不太好找,听说wisc毕业的也是去一些unknown colleges,而且面试我的教授说他们学生去industry的并不多,because the company does not value their ideas,所以大多数都是做faculty,有回南开保险系的. 感觉国内industry是不会要phd的吧?(不太了解哦)


作者: icecdy    时间: 2005-4-9 00:11
请教背景
作者: charlizefan    时间: 2005-4-9 01:03
rmi is a new area that's probably gonna be paid more attention to in
the next few years... its still barren compared to theories of finance,
so be cool!


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作者: MidnightTrain    时间: 2005-4-9 01:11
BUBULUO, 恭喜恭喜,GSU的那个RMIPROGRAM很强的,个人认为比UGA的强,不过UGA的商学院综合排名好一些。GSU的PROGRAM有很大一部分有依赖他们学校ACTUARIALSCIENCE的影响,所以RMI更为TECHNICAL。U WISCONSIN的RMI干脆就叫ACTUARIAL SCIENCE,RISKMANAGEMENT AND INSURANCE,所以侧重点有所不同。UGA没有ACTUARIAL SCIENCE的侧重点,比较偏BUSINESS,以及和FINANCE的合并。毕业分配情况和他们聊过,虽然就业没有FINANCE好,但都能找到工作,如FSU,UOF ARKANSAS等等,很多其实做了FINANCE的FACULTY,不过教的书偏RISKMANAGEMENT。所以个人认为只要个人努力,毕业还是可以找到可以的工作的。你们GSU的一些教授如MARTIN GRACE,SAMUELCOX都很厉害的。GSU的课程可谓十分TECHNICAL,非常强。而UGA的课程其实大部分用的是FINANCE的课程,所以FINANCE是必须要有的MINOR。所以以后多联系,就在同一条船上啦。不过GSU的分配网站上看不到,我觉得应该不错。U WISCONSIN的毕业分配不太好可能和当时JOB MARKET有关,因为我看到他们一些很牛的简历,但有的人是只偏重于ACTUARIALSCIENCE的了,所以找工作有局限性吧。那个学校比UGA和GSU都要好。

ICECDY,我背景一般 G-710,GPA 3.5+ US TOP 50 MBA, UNDER GPA 3.2+ (ECONOMICS) NO PAPER, NO INSURANCE BACKGROUND, US WORK EXPERIENCE 1 YEAR IN TOTALIN FINANCE, IN CHINA 3 YEARS BANKING EXPERIENCE BEFORE US MBA.

所以一定要笨鸟现飞,DREAM THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM。。。

作者: MidnightTrain    时间: 2005-4-9 01:35
补充一下,我进不了GSU和U WISCONSIN 感觉也很正常,因为我没有INSURANCE或ACTUARIALSCIENCE的BACKGROUND,数学也不牛,REAL ANALYSIS 之类的都没学过。而GSU和UWISCONSIN是很看重你这方面的背景的。而UGA则对我的FINANCE背景敢兴趣,教过我的一个PROFESSOR认识UGA的几个教授,不过他学术界很牛,不肯给我写推荐信,(也从不给别人写) 但我的PS上把他的名字搬了出来。录取后,他和我说UGA PREFERS TO TRAINPEOPLE WITH STRONG FINANCE INTERESTS。

希望这些对以后的XDJM要申请的有所帮助。其实我如果报UGA的FINANCE多半就是REJECTION,所以很庆幸。我的一个朋友巨牛,G -770, GPA 3.9+ US TOP 50 MBA, 居然被UGA的FINANCE和其他很多二类的FINANCE据了。不过最终他有了一个二类FINANCE的OFFER 。

我已经很满足了。现在要的就是努力奋斗4年。

作者: charlizefan    时间: 2005-4-10 01:30
thanks and congratulates

作者: bubuluo    时间: 2005-4-11 20:39

楼主分析的很有道理

WISC和GSU的精算方面确实比较强,Cox可以说是精算理论界的领军人物之一了. GSU的课程设置也学比较多的数学,而且今年开始他们招人prefer GRE,所以我没有考GMAT也申了. 但是它的名气实在太一般了,US jobmarket的情况我是一无所知,不知道找工作是不是不太受学校名气的影响,主要看专业业内的口碑啊?

偶的背景及其简单undergrad in RMI, minor in statistics, GPA 3.9, no working experience, G1300,觉得自己最后能从wait list里面蹦出来真是lucky. WISC拒我的时候说他们收的全是有master学位的学生,或者是有很强工作经历的,尽管我的数学背景还凑合 Application is really a wheel of fortune~

Btw,冒昧的问一句,楼主念了MBA,又有US work experience,为什么还选择继续念phd呢,是出于对学术研究的兴趣吗?


作者: MidnightTrain    时间: 2005-4-13 09:29
Hi Bubuluo, GSU is very good in terms of their RMI program. I am notsure whether the job market prefers school reputation or the programreputation, but I think it's a combination of both. You must be veryyoung at your age, and for me, I am close to 30 this year. So you havemore room in terms of your research capability and potential. I chosePhD program because I believe that the return is better than gettingstuck in a job, in a long run. And I would feel much better if I willbe respected and be called a doctor in a field that I am interested in.

作者: cni80    时间: 2005-7-2 20:48
MidnightTrain,首先恭喜你。我有个MM,她本科,研究生都是insurance field 的top 4的学校读的。现在刚刚工作,公司是国内保险的NO 1,她正在考gt,准备申请明年秋季的rmi 的phD。你是前辈,对她申请哪些学校有好的建议吗?
作者: cni80    时间: 2005-7-2 20:50
不好意思,忘了说,是国内insurance top 4的学校读的。




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