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compared to/with的逻辑主语问题

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发表于 2012-11-13 22:34:59 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
没搜到关于compared to/with的逻辑主语总结的帖子,所以想让NN确认一下对不对~~

compared to/with放在句首时,逻辑主语是主句主语;
compared to/with放在句末时:如果比较的是数字,可以比较前面句子中任何位置的数量,不要求紧邻;
不知道总结的对不对?

另外我想问一下,如果放在句末比较的不是数字A do sth, compared to/with B这个结构对吗?这里的compared to/with优先修饰A?如果中间没有逗号是不是就优先修饰sth?
 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-13 23:20:55 | 显示全部楼层
dddd~
发表于 2012-11-22 21:34:46 | 显示全部楼层
同问!!!!
发表于 2012-11-22 21:35:24 | 显示全部楼层
求大神!!!
发表于 2012-11-22 22:36:49 | 显示全部楼层
经常碰到的就两种用法:
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词:In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000;
2.当然,Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句,compared with后面的名词与主语比较:Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题,只有比较对象是否合理的问题,人家其实就是一个比较词罢了,总结一下:
1.当主语比较时:A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词,通常为百分比/倍数,
2.当宾语比较时:(也就是就近修饰逗号前名词):A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象,要求与前面的rule一致,其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用,其中as指代前句核心含义,要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁,怎么比具体的都是看题,没有定数,只能靠逻辑语义
发表于 2012-11-22 22:55:04 | 显示全部楼层
经常碰到的就两种用法:
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词:In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000;
2.当然,Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句,compared with后面的名词与主语比较:Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题,只有比较对象是否合理的问题,人家其实就是一个比较词罢了,总结一下:
1.当主语比较时:A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词,通常为百分比/倍数,
2.当宾语比较时:(也就是就近修饰逗号前名词):A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象,要求与前面的rule一致,其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用,其中as指代前句核心含义,要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁,怎么比具体的都是看题,没有定数,只能靠逻辑语义
-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)


大神! 我昨儿后续问你个问题 求解答啊!TAT
发表于 2012-11-22 23:06:16 | 显示全部楼层
经常碰到的就两种用法:
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词:In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000;
2.当然,Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句,compared with后面的名词与主语比较:Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题,只有比较对象是否合理的问题,人家其实就是一个比较词罢了,总结一下:
1.当主语比较时:A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词,通常为百分比/倍数,
2.当宾语比较时:(也就是就近修饰逗号前名词):A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象,要求与前面的rule一致,其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用,其中as指代前句核心含义,要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁,怎么比具体的都是看题,没有定数,只能靠逻辑语义
-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)



大神! 我昨儿后续问你个问题 求解答啊!TAT
-- by 会员 九尾 (2012/11/22 22:55:04)



sisi回答吧别让人捉急
 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-22 23:21:12 | 显示全部楼层
经常碰到的就两种用法:
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词:In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000;
2.当然,Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句,compared with后面的名词与主语比较:Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题,只有比较对象是否合理的问题,人家其实就是一个比较词罢了,总结一下:
1.当主语比较时:A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词,通常为百分比/倍数,
2.当宾语比较时:(也就是就近修饰逗号前名词):A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象,要求与前面的rule一致,其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用,其中as指代前句核心含义,要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁,怎么比具体的都是看题,没有定数,只能靠逻辑语义
-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)


sisi,这个问题是我考试之前问的~~结果一直没人回答,伤心了好一阵子呢。。。

关于compared with,它在句末我没有疑问,因为可以比较任意位置的数字,而且根据你2中的解释,根据语义也可以比较宾语。但是我记得当时提这个问题的时候题目是:Compared with A...,B do....(原句实在是找不到了),这里的compared with是不是应该和其它Ved...,A do..中的ved一样,逻辑主语是B啊?
发表于 2012-11-23 00:25:05 | 显示全部楼层
经常碰到的就两种用法:
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词:In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000;
2.当然,Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句,compared with后面的名词与主语比较:Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题,只有比较对象是否合理的问题,人家其实就是一个比较词罢了,总结一下:
1.当主语比较时:A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词,通常为百分比/倍数,
2.当宾语比较时:(也就是就近修饰逗号前名词):A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象,要求与前面的rule一致,其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用,其中as指代前句核心含义,要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁,怎么比具体的都是看题,没有定数,只能靠逻辑语义
-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)




sisi,这个问题是我考试之前问的~~结果一直没人回答,伤心了好一阵子呢。。。

关于compared with,它在句末我没有疑问,因为可以比较任意位置的数字,而且根据你2中的解释,根据语义也可以比较宾语。但是我记得当时提这个问题的时候题目是:Compared with A...,B do....(原句实在是找不到了),这里的compared with是不是应该和其它Ved...,A do..中的ved一样,逻辑主语是B啊?
-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/22 23:21:12)




我觉得可以与其他VED 一样。
补充
if you have a sentence that says "compared to/with" (or similar constructions, including "in comparison to", "as compared to/with", etc.), then the sentence CANNOT also use a comparison word, such as more, less, greater, prefer, better, worse, X times as much, etc.

to use "compared to/with", you just STATE statistics, without using any other comparison word.

examples:
this year's unemployment rate of 12% is three times as great compared to the rate in 1994 --> incorrect (redundant)

the correct way to write it:
this year's unemployment rate is 12%, compared to 4% in 1994
i.e., you just come out and SAY the statistics, and then give "compared to".


Revise http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/in-california-today-t5783.html
in fact, there is absolutely no difference whatsoever between "compare to" and "compare with". they are exactly the same.

if you have our OLD edition strategy guides -- two or three editions old, at this point (2007 edition) -- you will notice some mistaken information in those guides. at one point, we thought we had found evidence that these two idioms are used in different ways; however, upon further investigation, we have actually found no evidence to substantiate any sort of difference between the two.
发表于 2012-11-23 08:57:18 | 显示全部楼层
经常碰到的就两种用法:
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词:In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000;
2.当然,Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句,compared with后面的名词与主语比较:Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题,只有比较对象是否合理的问题,人家其实就是一个比较词罢了,总结一下:
1.当主语比较时:A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词,通常为百分比/倍数,
2.当宾语比较时:(也就是就近修饰逗号前名词):A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象,要求与前面的rule一致,其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用,其中as指代前句核心含义,要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁,怎么比具体的都是看题,没有定数,只能靠逻辑语义
-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)




sisi,这个问题是我考试之前问的~~结果一直没人回答,伤心了好一阵子呢。。。

关于compared with,它在句末我没有疑问,因为可以比较任意位置的数字,而且根据你2中的解释,根据语义也可以比较宾语。但是我记得当时提这个问题的时候题目是:Compared with A...,B do....(原句实在是找不到了),这里的compared with是不是应该和其它Ved...,A do..中的ved一样,逻辑主语是B啊?
-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/22 23:21:12)




我觉得可以与其他VED 一样。
补充
if you have a sentence that says "compared to/with" (or similar constructions, including "in comparison to", "as compared to/with", etc.), then the sentence CANNOT also use a comparison word, such as more, less, greater, prefer, better, worse, X times as much, etc.

to use "compared to/with", you just STATE statistics, without using any other comparison word.

examples:
this year's unemployment rate of 12% is three times as great compared to the rate in 1994 --> incorrect (redundant)

the correct way to write it:
this year's unemployment rate is 12%, compared to 4% in 1994
i.e., you just come out and SAY the statistics, and then give "compared to".

"Compare to" Vs "Compare with":

"Compare to" is to suggest resemblances between things that have essentially DIFFERENT natures.

"Compare with" is to suggest resemblances between things that have essentially SIMILAR natures.


Examples:
In appearance, ripples in ocean water can be compared to frosting spread on a cake. -- Both sides of the comparison are totally different.
Despite their different capacities, RAM can be compared with ROM in that both involve memory storage. -- Both sides of the comparison belong to a similar category
-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/23 0:25:05)



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