求决选校建议！SSE VS Bocconi VS McGill VS UCL (各国混申党)

pistachill

川续 发表于 2017-7-2 18:59
这个我完全明白。。所以目前打算是在欧洲找工作，既然选择了去bocconi，就得承担这个风险 ...

嗯，我是想申明年入学的bocconi的，楼主一切顺利啦

cathyluyuan

川续 发表于 2017-7-2 11:59
这个我完全明白。。所以目前打算是在欧洲找工作，既然选择了去bocconi，就得承担这个风险 ...

我补充一句，SSE也是留欧最优，回国会比较挣扎（尤其是management）。

可惜SSE这两年中国人留欧的概率实在低到可怕。。。

cheesechan

川续 发表于 2017-7-2 18:59
这个我完全明白。。所以目前打算是在欧洲找工作，既然选择了去bocconi，就得承担这个风险 ...

既然如此.....well....找工作的工程進展如何??

(yes...it is Italy, 未上飛機就要開始的了....)

川续

cheesechan 发表于 2017-7-3 17:19
既然如此.....well....找工作的工程進展如何??

(yes...it is Italy, 未上飛機就要開始的了....) ...

well...still working on it

DawnRocket

cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-25 07:01
Bocconi和SSE差那麼少小你都care的話.............建議你考慮試一下:
1. UZH MA Econ (Banking and Fina)
...

Hi Cheese. This is Dawn. I saw your reply on 川续’s post. And I also have some interest in EU biz related programs. I noticed that you recommend UZH in the reply. so could you please tell me something about the UZH MA Econ.? Mainly about the career. I would like to pursue a career in Finance, probably risks& some other quant dept..
Thx!

cheesechan

DawnRocket 发表于 2017-10-16 20:35
Hi Cheese. This is Dawn. I saw your reply on 川续’s post. And I also have some interest in EU biz ...

suggestions are always case by case.

in general, economics is not a good preparation for those who wanna to be risk & some other quant dept.
for most risk management, and quantitative related role, it will be a better idea to go to math/stat/OR department instead of something hosted only by the business school / finance department, not to mention the department of economics. 你自己查一查, 美國top 10的MFE有幾多個是只是business shcool的就明白的了. (沒記錯就只有UCB, UCLA). 而歐洲這個趨勢則更為明顯, 尤其歐陸.

If you have look into the program structure of UZH economics, you will find it to be a very good economics one (one of the best economic department in European continental, but a master with big class size like around 120), but without much elective in financial economics and econometric. That's not a good idea. (You may go with a minor in, e.g. statistics there, but this is far from enough).
If you have to go to a economics program, but prepare a career in finance, I think it is quite important to select a school with a good location (e.g. Zurich is excellent, but visa-wise is horrible - be prepared to go Germany for internship and work). It will be also a good idea to get into a program with decent faculty, concentrations in financial economics and econometric (for quant side, i mean the Q side, stochastic and applied maths are more important somehow - but it is really rare to have those people in economics department).  Decent programming is always assumed for this path so I will skip that.

(within Switzerland for example) the best program for risk & quant is definitly the ETH+UZH MS QF, and if you are limited to those in economics department, then HSG MiQEF comes first.


Q: is a economics a good preparation for a general finance career?
A: it really depends on the reputation and the network of the school, and then the location (and visa). program structure comes third as those financial modeling stuffs are easy and can be self-learnt.

DawnRocket

cheesechan 发表于 2017-10-17 03:14
suggestions are always case by case.

in general, economics is not a good preparation for those wh ...

Thanks for your reply!

Actually my major is acccounting , so if I directly apply for some quant program, I worry that my application material might not be that persuasive. That's why I tend to consider some related program.

Conincidentally, I am considering some STAT program recently and I am working on GRE(since I took GMAT before) I have learned basic stat-related courses so far like applied statistics and some basic mathmatical courses in university. And my internship(one in fixed income dept., one in big four assurance, one in VC and one in a 500 nominated company risk management[ongoing]) included some details about stat but not too much. I also did a project on modeling. So I wonder that is there any stat-related I can apply?Both EU and US are Okay, but US is better.

As for careers, I prefer to work for several years outside mainland China. So job hunting is the first considered factor for me when choosing the schools I apply, following the factor "fame' as I have a kind of 名校情节(LOL). I know that VISA might be a huge problem to seek jobs in EU, but are the EU masters welcome in HK?

And I also apply for some business analytics program in US with a career goal of risk related position well. Will that be a suitable choice?

Thanks!

cheesechan

DawnRocket 发表于 2017-10-17 16:27
Thanks for your reply!

Actually my major is acccounting , so if I directly apply for some quant ...

1. EU卡對口主修比US/UK嚴格不少.

2. not much idea about master in stat. haven't consider that at all before. (for personal reason)But what do you mean by statistic related, besides a standard MS in Statistics?  Things like machines learning specilization in a CS master? a econometrics one? a business analytics / data science one?  a quantitative finance one?  Or ?????

3. Visa is a huge problems for some countries, e.g. US, UK, but not the case for quite many EU countries. The main concern there is their local language.

4. Only quite a few universities overseas are well regarded in HK (target school / good enough to go through campus hire / enough to pass visa barrier without personal relationship) . I guess it is around 20 in US, 5 or 6 for UK, 3 to 4 each for Canada and Australia,  and I tend to say 0 or 1 for EU one (e.g. HEC works well for a french firm)  for business school.


5. You have too easy statistics and too little stochastic,  and too few finance/ derivative in any typicall business analytics master program to make you competitive for most serious risk and quant related role when compared to those from a financial engineering concentration of a MSF,  not to mention those from a solid mathematical finance one.


P.S. the plan doesnt sounds a reasonable one concerning the location aspect.

DawnRocket

cheesechan 发表于 2017-10-17 19:03
1. EU卡對口主修比US/UK嚴格不少.

2. not much idea about master in stat. haven't consider that at al ...

謝謝Cheese的回復！看了你的回復我感覺應該要全面放棄EU了哈哈。我想試試申請美國stat的研，可能還想試試OR之類的。關於職業規劃，還是想進投行 金數的話，按我目前的實習，除了BU不卡本科背景，別的應該都比較難。研究了一下投行risk需要的軟件，覺得BA學的還比較對口，但是其他的崗位怕是沒什麼可能了。

目前還是考慮盡量能在美國留下來！我今年的申請也開始了。拿到offer再來請教您~

cheesechan

DawnRocket 发表于 2017-10-20 09:01
謝謝Cheese的回復！看了你的回復我感覺應該要全面放棄EU了哈哈。我想試試申請美國stat的研，可能還想試試 ...

1. 軟件對口是遠遠不夠的…內容才是key.....畢竟軟件這玩意可以自己補，但內容就難多了(the key point of MFE --> risk is not because of the programming they learnt; it is about the stochastic and statistical modeling of the financial marketing.
要是programming是key的話, 那該是找一堆CS的去幹了 - what is the case for quant developer.)

2. 又一個想留美的business student.....呵呵，唉，只能說good luck 了

P.S. 建議你看一看荷蘭的.