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作者: leighyao    时间: 2006-4-27 02:31
标题: [原创]My Application, etc

Try to summarize something I wrote regarding application on various threads, and contribute my 2 cents at the early stage of this field.



Time Frame


Application is a long process, and it is better to start early. It might not be necessary to finalize the application materials in early October as some guys have done, but it is still necessary to commence as early as possible.



GMAT


In my opinion, GMAT score is an interesting thing.  In the beginning of admission process, a satisfactory GMAT score (>700 I sense) can make your profile pass through the screen of the secretary; during the evaluation process, it might not carry a huge weight for admission or offer decision; and yet when the school has to make a decision between two candidates with similar credential, a higher GMAT score can make you stand out.


Also, it is wise to take GMAT as early as possible.


                                                                                                      


TOEFL


I didn't take TOEFL, as I have finished one degree in the states. However, even though, it is still good to have one. Quite many schools still require a TOEFL score or TSE, and the candidate school pool would shrink consequently without TOEFL. As TOEFL is purely an English proficiency test, the school can use interview to test such a skill for applicants. So, a TOEFL score above the threshold might be safe; however, the higher the better.



GPA


I personally think GPA plays lest important role in the whole application process. GPA is definitely a biased one, and because of the grade inflation, it is fairly easily to get an excellent GPA, esp. in the states. As ETS has once pointed out that the correlation between GMAT and the performance at B-school is much higher than the one between GPA and the performance. Thus, no need to worry about too much on a relatively lower GPA, although it is still true that the higher the better. Canadian schools have quite restricted requirement on GPA, and I think it might be wise to negotiate with the school in such a case.



School Selection


It is a tedious process. I think the first job might be to clearly understand yourself, your credential more precisely. It is normal to set up 3-4 tiers for candidate schools, and these tiers should be in line with your credential. In other words, the 2nd tier candidate school of another person might be your 3rd tier, and vice versa. It is not good to be overoptimistic and it is not good to be over-pessimistic as well. The criteria to set up such tiers, I think, should mainly be how much academic support you can get from this school, and on the other hand, I think it is also wise to consider whether you want to reside in this school (loactaion) for 4 -5 years.



Personal Statement


Personal Statement might be the most important factor in the application process. My suggestion might be "be you". The structure of personal statement, I think, usually consists of following: Why PhD, Why this major, Personal Credential, Research Interest and Why this school. I don't think it is a good approach to reading templates. By doing this, in my opinion, your scope of thought might be limited. It is worse to copy and paste some so called fancy words in your personal statement, as this would jeopardize the consistency of your statement. I referred to at least 6 professors and 4 people who are good at creative writing. However, what I asked them to do is to tell me whether they can get a picture of mine by reading my personal statement. As long as my words can fully convey my enthusiasm and academic interest, I think I have achieved the goal. It is very essential to refer to an English specialist to read the personal statement. For example, I used "delicate" to describe a small and decent program, but 2 specialists both pointed this out, and suggested me to use some alternative words. While in every English-Chinese dictionary, "delicate"  is always translated as精美的,雅致的; however, I assume that direct feeling of Americans towards this word might be related with "fragile", just as the entry given in Merriam-Webster, "easily torn or damaged".



Recommendations


Recommendation letters, as a matter of fact, are crucial in every aspect of life in the States, not only in school application, but also in job hunting, house renting and even pet adopting. I asked 4 professors to write recommendations for me, although none of the schools I applied for required more than 3 recommendations. As I have had one degree done and am ongoing another one, I think 2 professors from each department might present a more accurate picture of me. This is something unique to me, but it is important to ask some people who really know you well to write the recommendations. I think what the schools want to get is not a piece of paper filled with exaggerated words but a vivid picture of you, and only those who are close to you can make it. I know most of the Chinese applicants have to write the recommendation letters and even fill in the recommendation forms by themselves. I fully understand this, but I think it still might be better to ask such professors to write the recommendations if they are able to write in English. Actually, I don't think a person can write 3 pieces of words with totally different written styles. 马甲can be easily detected on a forum, and same thing here.


Transcripts


It is advisable to spend bit time on the English translation. My transcripts were done in a hurry back in 2002 and by then I didn't check it at all. Now, when I read the names of the courses I took, I could only "laugh".



Interviews


Now more and more schools are interviewing applicants. To my understanding, the purpose of interview is not necessarily only to explore your research interest although this is one important element, but to test the spoken English skill and try to find a mutual match. It is important to get prepared for the interview. For a surprise phone interview, I think it won't hurt to ask for another time. It is totally understandable. It is better than to have an interview without any preparation. Similar to job interview, it is important to know well about the school and the interviewer, and also similar to job interview, it is crucial to prepare a certain number of, the more the better, questions for the interviewer. For example, the interview of laceName w:st="on">GeorgialaceName> laceName w:st="on">StatelaceName> laceType w:st="on">UniversitylaceType> is purely a platform for the applicants to ask questions. Finally, it is always appropriate to write a "thank you" note (via email) to the interviewer.



陶瓷


I don't have a clear idea on this. However, I think unless you have a very sophisticated idea, it might not be a good try to contact the professors, esp. in the very beginning. After interview, I think it might be a good timing to follow these professors up. However, for schools, for example, Vanderbilt and PSU, applicants are encouraged to contact with faculty. In this sense, we should do so. Anyway, 陶瓷 is a two-edge sword, de facto.  


Publication


If you have some papers published, it is definitely a good thing, but I think it is not wise to have publication limited yourself. Some schools would ask for written samples, and in this case, I sense that the schools mainly want to evaluate applicants' English written skill, as such a skill, along with Spoken English skill, is highly demanding for B school PhD study.




Inside information


As Zenger has pointed in his thread, it is import to contact some Chinese fellows in the schools you are interested at. They can provide valuable information.



4-15


I have written a thread before, and no need to duplicate it at here again.


http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=61&ID=160574&page=1





Acknowledgement


Once again, I want to address my deepest appreciation to one special person. When I deleted all GMAT materials and decided to step on another path, I was urged by this person to take GMAT. Without the encouragement and support, I would simply lose my determination. Secondly, there is another intimate buddy in China who has also given me numerous psychological supports. I want to thank my boss in last school year. He has provided me many useful suggestions, and unlike other Americans, he helped me to set up an appropriate target. I need to thank some guys who I met here. When I was in panic, I still could get consolation from them. Maybe sometimes, we were talking about something totally irrelevant to application, but the conversation was still a release. I felt grateful when some friends sent me messages regarding my final decision. I would like to present my gratefulness to my landlady and some people I know in New York. I am lucky to have an easy life in this "damn" city with the support from them. Last but not least, I need to thank my parents for unconditional support.


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作者: newbon    时间: 2006-4-27 02:45
wow, i shall take a break for a while...so many Eng. words. Thank yao da ge so much, the advices and experience are very helpful.
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作者: leonchan    时间: 2006-4-27 02:53
感谢楼主在版上的一系列分享!祝楼主一切顺利!
作者: zenger    时间: 2006-4-27 04:56

great words!



作者: adii    时间: 2006-4-27 08:24

终于等到这个完整版啦,呵呵



作者: yazi123    时间: 2006-4-27 10:53
Thanks
作者: Highwaystar    时间: 2006-4-27 11:03
顶先,明天沐浴更衣后再看
作者: habits    时间: 2006-4-27 11:31

Thanks a lot.


Very insightful


作者: serenathunder    时间: 2006-4-28 10:36
吗啊,不知道中国人看中文习惯吗,写英文就给外国教授或者在外国的中国XDJM看,我们在国内看中文超级快 ,哎,大大降低了点击率,降低了传播速度,影响了发贴的最终效果啊。
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作者: leighyao    时间: 2006-4-28 10:43
以下是引用serenathunder在2006-4-28 10:36:00的发言:
吗啊,不知道中国人看中文习惯吗,写英文就给外国教授或者在外国的中国XDJM看,我们在国内看中文超级快 ,哎,大大降低了点击率,降低了传播速度,影响了发贴的最终效果啊。

I have to say that you must get used to reading/writing in English if you decide to go abroad.

In another thread, I already mentioned that I prefer to use English, even though I am able to type in Chinese. The major reason is that it can help me to think in English.

Sorry, 99% of my threads are written in English. If you enjoy reading what I have presented, I feel glad; if you don't feel comfortable, well, I am not able to provide alternatives.


作者: serenathunder    时间: 2006-4-28 11:05
呵呵,不好怎么说,你的心情我也理解,我的意见你可以参考,各自随意吧
作者: michellewang    时间: 2006-5-17 08:39
so nice of you,Yao!thx
作者: ellen要雪耻    时间: 2006-5-18 14:11

Good essay!

Thank you for sharing!

I feel supported after I read the whole essay for it alleviates my anxiety on my low GPA(3.36).

However i know i still have a long way to go!

Thank you!


作者: ILNY    时间: 2006-5-29 15:10

Very good article, informative and thorogh.  Which univeristy will LZ finally go for your Ph.D?

May I ask LZ why you prefer pursuing Ph.D. than being a professional after obtaining your master's degree?


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作者: quando    时间: 2006-6-11 20:17

zan!


作者: georgewang    时间: 2006-6-14 03:43
祝楼主一切顺利!
作者: hummel    时间: 2006-6-14 19:02

fine reference, thanks much


作者: jimmycen    时间: 2006-7-10 23:01
可以做为论文了
作者: wangjinan    时间: 2006-7-17 21:39
thank you
作者: mioiii    时间: 2006-8-28 11:38
Congrats to LZ
作者: mioiii    时间: 2006-8-28 11:40
but do you mind sharing the results with us: i.e.which phd program you are heading to, which you have tried out, how many of interviews....etc.?
作者: wendyluo2005    时间: 2006-10-2 05:29

Dear leighyao

Thank you for your post. I am writing PS and your sharing is very helpful. But What do you mean about personal credential? Is it rewards?


作者: hhl3000    时间: 2006-10-10 20:21
N B
作者: snooopy    时间: 2007-8-25 14:23

thanks LZ


作者: wzhcool1990    时间: 2008-1-8 22:13
your every word counts!

作者: sakula217    时间: 2008-1-31 20:12

Thanks for sharing!


作者: doublebxl    时间: 2008-2-1 00:31

Super thanks for such a great work!


作者: blueglory    时间: 2008-2-2 03:55
Good research work about application.

作者: yangou777    时间: 2008-11-14 08:58
Thank your experience and advice
作者: catking2003    时间: 2008-11-14 10:17
这坟挖的...够经典,开帖看到N久不见的前辈,还以为重回故地,原来是坟...
作者: pianisthe    时间: 2009-4-2 11:30
shame on my poor english. i think i could get offers only when i can write such essay.

作者: aoxiangys    时间: 2009-5-22 15:55
Thanks,very useful for us who're prepareing to take GMAT,but still can't find own way.
作者: 永远爱koma62    时间: 2012-3-1 11:35
考虑中
作者: DHC517    时间: 2012-9-7 11:12
Hello, could you induldge me with your valuable opinion on my situition? I got my first degree in English and second in education in mainland China. I'm working on master degree in global business in South Korea with a scholarship covering 70 percent of tuition. I took GMAT once. The score is quite mediocre. If I would like to pursue further education in business in States with a full scholarship. Do you think it is feasible and how can I prepare to accomplish this goal? Thank you.
作者: Bella2009    时间: 2012-9-11 14:24
thx
作者: ruixueqilin    时间: 2012-11-9 00:29
您好,看了你写的总结,学到很多。谢谢。你提到说GPA的重要性最小。可是我翻了很多学校,发现很多学校要求本科GPA必须是3.0或更高。不知道是不是只要本科GPA低于这个分数就肯定被刷掉,连材料都不会审?我的本科GPA才刚刚2.0,硕士GPA3.36。这样看来,本科的肯定不够线。我很担心学校直接用这个指标把我的申请材料刷掉。
作者: ruixueqilin    时间: 2012-11-9 00:31
还有,我忘记说了,我的托福94分,GMAT710分。现在在香港做research assistant半年了. 至今只有conference paper。
作者: gigi68788    时间: 2012-11-13 23:52
Wow. Really fantastic it is.

I have to say that it's very logical and informative. Impressive is it's another feature. I learnt a lot from it. And for me, reading english article is good as i see it as a practice chance.

Thanks for sharing. Wish you healthy and happy.

6 years passed by, i wondered if you can add more views or if you changed part of your view?


作者: shmily85742    时间: 2013-9-16 01:24
Good summary! Thanks so much!




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