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作者: sbbi 时间: 2003-9-25 02:31
标题: 885 补充题138: where once
138. Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting the imposition of an alien tax on immigrant workers, after 1897 the United Mine Workers made a determined effort to enlist Italians and Slavs in its ranks.
(A) Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting
(B) Where once the union acquiesced to it English-speaking members’ prejudice for the support of
(C) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in support of
(D) While once the union acquiesced to its English-speaking members’ prejudice in supporting
(E) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in its supporting of

Answer is A. All I like to know is the usage/meaning of "where once", which I cannot find in any of my dictionaries! thanks!

作者: merlion 时间: 2003-9-25 08:45
where once 过去曾经，和之后发生的情况比较，有差异不同。
没有 while once.

个人理解，答错勿怪。

作者: sbbi 时间: 2003-9-25 22:20
gemj/braveMBA,帮我看看吧.谢谢

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-9-25 23:57
首先，where once不是词组，我查了200万字的材料，3本大词典，也没有找到where once的组合。

其次，where与once应该分开来理解。Where肯定是作连词，意思是：（WM）
WHERE: conjunction
b : in a case, situation, or respect in which “outstanding where endurance is called for”
译为中文是：在…的情况

再次，once就是“曾经”的意思，作副词，与主句的after 1897形成完美的对照（难道没有觉得这个“after 1897”挺怪的吗？原来她在这里与她的情郎遥遥相望！）

整个句子的意思是：
在曾经工会默许… 的情况，1897后，联合矿工组织坚决….
Where在此表达着一定的对比关系。

最后，再来一个例子，又是一个完美的爱情故事（once与now之间）！
Where history once was primarily narrative, it is now entirely analytic.

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作者: sbbi 时间: 2003-9-26 00:01
DING!
thanks!

作者: braveMBA 时间: 2003-9-26 00:06
印象中前人说WHERE ONCE=BECAUSE，但是实在记不清了，搜索了一下以前的帖子也没有发现，但是的确讲过。

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-9-26 00:28

以下是引用braveMBA在2003-9-26 0:06:00的发言：
印象中前人说WHERE ONCE=BECAUSE，但是实在记不清了，搜索了一下以前的帖子也没有发现，但是的确讲过。

我也看见过。
但WHERE ONCE作BECAUSE讲一是没有依据；
二从此题及我的例子看，显然不通啊！

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作者: mzyzhu 时间: 2003-9-26 00:31
佩服楼上的记忆力和所下的功夫。

where once = 什么好象是在LZM的书里说过。不过到底等于什么我也记不起来了。

不过我倒是倾向将where解释为连接词，连接2 个句子。once中文翻成一旦。就又回到我们熟悉的方面来了。通过the union ... acquiesced to the prejudices of ... by supporting 排除其他用法。

（1）应该是acquiesce to prejudice而不是acquiesce to其他东东。
（2）by supporting非常明确的表示是the union 发出的动作，而不是其他。

作者: sbbi 时间: 2003-9-26 00:39
"where once = because" is originated from LZM. I asked in many occations and wasted me much time! 简直就是胡勒...

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-9-26 00:49

以下是引用mzyzhu在2003-9-26 0:31:00的发言：
where once = 什么好象是在LZM的书里说过。不过到底等于什么我也记不起来了。

LZM说“where once表‘原因’，相当于because，而不存在while once用法，…”（P148，E8-4）不过，这完全就是没有根据的一家之言。结合这个题目和我举的阅读中出现的例子，LZM肯定是不对的！

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-9-26 00:52

以下是引用sbbi在2003-9-26 0:39:00的发言：
"where once = because" is originated from LZM. I asked in many occations and wasted me much time! 简直就是胡勒...

同意！我们之所以要下这么大的功夫，就是因为LZM的说法明显站不住脚！
不过，我倒是挺欣赏他的“大胆猜想”的精神，可惜他少了“小心求证”的实干。

作者: sbbi 时间: 2003-9-26 00:54
hehe.. 语法这种东西还是不要大胆猜想为好,要想GEMJ那样小心求证

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-9-26 01:08
谢谢sbbi，不过我刚才未经你的许可就把你的标题加了个where once。因为这样以后好找这个帖子。
不知你是否介意啊？

作者: sbbi 时间: 2003-9-26 01:21
标题: 语法题求助-->melodybb1224转移
of course not, also take a look of 真题5(ur post) pls

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-11-6 18:31
这个题目的C、E不好我觉得好象不是While once的问题，而在于它们后面的
in support of
in its supporting of
不如A中的：
by supporting好。
不知对否？

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作者: Ivoryone 时间: 2003-11-7 01:34
Yes, I agree. You can make judgement based on these clues. But it seems "when" is definitely better than "while" in here.

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-11-7 11:03

以下是引用Ivoryone在2003-11-7 1:34:00的发言：
But it seems "when" is definitely better than "while" in here.

不同意。
WHILE表达的是对比关系，而不是时间概念。

作者: ecsniffer 时间: 2004-2-22 11:23

以下是引用gemj在2003-11-7 11:03:00的发言：

以下是引用Ivoryone在2003-11-7 1:34:00的发言：
But it seems "when" is definitely better than "while" in here.

不同意。
WHILE表达的是对比关系，而不是时间概念。

可是这里的once和in 1897就是形成对比呀？这里用对比有什么不妥么？gemj能不能再给讲讲？

作者: victorfeng 时间: 2004-2-26 05:49
Where once you ate and drank my every word, now you yawn and walk away.

作者: achilles2003 时间: 2004-4-24 00:02
Where once 翻译成曾几何时,感觉比较通顺啊.

作者: liu_9000 时间: 2004-4-25 14:19

同意楼上.

我理解where once为"在以前的某个时间点上曾经", 与后来的某个时间点形成对比.

作者: buddyk 时间: 2004-9-13 12:54

以下例句来自collins电子辞典4.0版。

Where once there was a single clarion from, there are now dozens of different shapes.

Where once stood buginfested, rat-run slums are now modest Sixties blocks, penned in by trees, no highrise, grass swathes everywhere, blotting up the foundations of some of the worst slums in Europe.

"Remember that", my first visit had been to the place where once lived a local man whose fame will outsoar and outlive Tyne's ships, Jarrow's Marchers and all the vagaries of economic fortune.

And yet ... back to Jarrow swathed in the green belt, trim, well-spaced Fifties and Sixties estates, red brick, neat and riding the gentle rise and fall of the land, a few unemployed youths immobile outside the shops, grilles where once there was glass, but no beggars, no tramps, no Thirties britchy-arse-out incalculable poverty.

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作者: buddyk 时间: 2004-9-13 13:11

以下例句来自Oxford English Dictionary II V3.0

（1650 Fuller Pisgah Sight ii. xii. 250）Devills then dancing for joy, where once Angels (those holy Agitators) went up and down betwixt heaven and earth.

（1911 Mulford Bar-20 Days xxiii. 231） Now he wanted an "even break"? where once he would have called all his wits into play to avoid it.

(1680 Crowne Misery Civ. War v. 70) The bird that sees the bush where once itself Was lim'd

(1963 Guardian 11 Sept. 7/6) Increasingly the television camera and videotape recorder, an unwieldy picture development of the ordinary tape-recorder, are being used where once the cine camera stood alone.

(1967 Times Rev. Industry Mar. 46/1) Where once the circuit designer had to employ comparatively large components mounted on some sort of backing sheet+now he can often put in an integrated circuit, in which the separate components are commonly created in miniscule form on the surface of thin wafers of silicon by complex processing.

(1796 T. Townshend Poems 32) Where once thy gifting hand did weave Garlands of glory for the poet's head.

(1962 A. Christie Mirror Crack'd i. 16) All the people from the Development doing their shopping. Ibid. 17 Where once there had been meadows with cows, there was the Development.

(1805 Wordsw. Waggoner i. 54) Where once the Dove and Olive-Bough Offered a greeting of good ale To all who entered Grasmere Vale.

(1877 Bryant Lit. People Snow 346) Where once they made their haunt, was emptiness.

作者: gemj 时间: 2005-6-3 18:13

今天又看见一个where once... now...的组合：

Where once there was a broad
domestic consensus to fight terrorism and defend the
nation, now there are deepening questions and doubts
about the “global war on terror.”

基本可以这样断定：Where once... now...是英文中的一个习惯性用法，意思是“曾几何时... 而如今...”

这也就能说明其他选项不对。

此题是否可以彻底结案？

作者: lindawen1 时间: 2005-7-8 19:58

终于又看见gemj的帖子，真是令人高兴

作者: dovecat 时间: 2005-8-31 09:07

以下是引用gemj在2005-6-3 18:13:00的发言：

今天又看见一个where once... now...的组合：

Where once there was a broad
domestic consensus to fight terrorism and defend the
nation, now there are deepening questions and doubts
about the “global war on terror.”

基本可以这样断定：Where once... now...是英文中的一个习惯性用法，意思是“曾几何时... 而如今...”

这也就能说明其他选项不对。

此题是否可以彻底结案？

嗯，看来看去，还是这个说法最贴切。我再做这题时，是把where当作对比的意思，once 是曾经一度，所以选出正确答案也就没多加注意思考，在此获益匪浅，谢谢gemj和sbbi的解答。

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